Re: first cycle

Hi guys

After spending a year and a half on this site, I am finally ready to do the first cycle.
I have done a diet by the Master himself Dj last year, note to all newbies like myself get a good diet and training programme by Dj before attempting juice, it's shocking that we think we are eating right until we get the real deal.

I have gained 7kg in 12 weeks just through Dj's diet, salute!!!

Sats
Age: 26
Height : 1.8
Weight: 79kg

I need help with a few question before I start, I will be doing the beginner bulk cycle...Dbol and test CYP.
For my Diet I will use Dj's bulking diet that he structured for me.

Can I use test prop instead of CYP?
I have read threads where the dbol 40mg should be taken in the morning, some say afternoon. When the best time to take it on training and non training days,
Is pre workout safe to use during cycle?
Lastly when is the best time to take creatine on the cycle and best mixture

Eager to see what's ahead, thanks guys

Happy to hear bud. What's your bodyfat % at the moment? Now to your questions, yes you can use prop. It is not advised though due to the fact you have to pin more frequently and being a first time user it is going to be very unpleasant. Dbol should be split through out the day same time everyday. Pre workouts is fine. Creatine is usually taken post workout with a high GI source to help transport nutrients.

hey bud

first of all congratulations on not jumping the gun!

i have a question for you? don't you think you could gain a few more KGs naturally first before going down that route?

if you're adament then nothing I, or anyone else says can change your mind..

i like Cyp over prop for first time users because you have to pin less frequently, because of the longer esther. helps you get into the swing of things

the half life of dbol is 4.5 - 6 hours so id split the dose throughout the day.

PWO supps are fine on cycle and use the creatine as you normally would

Take creatine in your post workout shake (im guessing you use dextrose and whey or the likes after workout)

Hey bro..as Mr Feathers mentioned..im pretty sure a few more KG's could be gained naturally..always better to build a solid foundation naturally before jumping onto gear.

Why would you want to pin Prop instead of Cyp? any specific reason?
Id stick with Cyp..you only need to pin it twice a week where Prop is 3-4 times a week, if you don't have a problem with frequent injections then Prop is all good.. but as a beginner cycle Cyp is standard.. enters your system slowly.. which might be better in the beginning, as you not sure as to how your body will react to test.

Dbol to be taken in split doses.. if you train late afternoon, id take 1 in the morning, 1 lunch and then 2 pre-workout

Yes Pre-workout is safe to use.

What creatine are you taking? Monohydrate? If so then you can take it pre & post workout..for pre workout you can mix about 5grams with your pre workout drink and then post workout you can mix it with your shake (only if it contains carbs). Creatine Monohydrate needs to be mixed with a "transport" system for optimal absorption..mix it with apple or grape juice which contains fast acting sugars which creates an insulin spike which therefore helps for a better uptake of the creatine and other nutrients you can buy Creatine with a transport system..have a look out for that

Thanks for replies guys.
Previous to Dj diet up to the age of 22 I was 49kg...yes correct, I went to donate blood and they chooned nooit you under weight.
After Dj diet I tried to put on more kgs but kept thinking of first cycle,
For the last year I haven't gained more than a kg.

My Bf is 14% currently.

In preparation for my cycle I bought prop instead of CYP, actually the guy insisted prop is better, being a well know trainer locally I followed, should have asked you guys first..dumb moment I guess., Now that I have it must i continue same dosage as beginner cycle or change it to CYP.

Pct I will use same for beginner cycle.

Must I still keep side effect meds on hand for Gyno

14% bf is a bit too high, the lower the better due to sides. You said you worked with DJ and picked up weight, do it again and lay of the juice. If you are going to proceed try to get cyp, maybe the oke will switch it. Also if you are going to use prop the pct times will change.

Yes you must keep Adex or Letro at hand..

No you don't pin the same dosage as cyp with prop. Prop = 1.5ml (eod)

Prop is dosed @ 100mg/1ml and pin every other day @ 1.5ml 150mg
Cyp is dosed @ 250mg/1ml and pin every fourth day @ 1.0ml 250mg

Get in contact with DJ again , your cycle won't help fokkkol if you don't eat accordingly