AI from start of cycle?

I'm posting this for advice for a buddy of mine (no really, I am - I'm on my own cycle and have posted about it already ).

His stats:

Age: 27

Weight: 85kg

B.F%: ~12%

It's his second cycle. He is an experienced lifter, diet is in check.

He is into the second week of his cycle:

30mg dbol E.D. (first 3 weeks)
500mg test E per week

Now here's the thing... on his first cycle he found he was gyno-prone, so he is taking "Bul labs, Armidex-1" (1mg anastrozole per tab) at 0.5mg EOD, right from day one.

Should one take AI so early in cycle, and isn't this dose too high?

Yes you can run Adex from day 1 at a low dose.

Sample - www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/31-cycle-6

0.5mg EOD for prevention is to high. To much Adex can lead to estrogen crash.

Buy some Liquid Adex, much easier to control the dosage.

Oupa wrote: Yes you can run Adex from day 1 at a low dose.

Sample - www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/31-cycle-6

0.5mg EOD for prevention is to high. To much Adex can lead to estrogen crash.

Buy some Liquid Adex, much easier to control the dosage.

Thanks Oupa, thought it was too high. What dose would you recommend? 0.2mg 2 x per week?

How should he taper down from current dose?

He has been feeling shitty this week (mentally), could the high AI dose be a reason for this?

It can be because of low estrogen.

How did he diagnose that he is gyno prone?

Oupa wrote: It can be because of low estrogen.

How did he diagnose that he is gyno prone?

From previous cycle.

Ja ballas maar ........

What symptons ?

He says "itch on left nipple and some "drooping" of the nipple on first cycle".

How should he taper down, and what dose should he take? 0.2mg 2 x per week?

I've asked him to register on forum so I don't have to be middleman lol.

Thanks for your advice so far Oupa, much appreciated!

Good idea, let him register and we can take it from there. I would do 3 x 0.2mg if i was that prone. Alex half life is about 50 hours..

Taper after Bol to twice weekly

Hi guys

I am Safehouse's mate using the AI. I'm currently experiencing the following while on 0,5mg Arimidex EOD:

• Fatigue
• Serious loss of appetite
• Difficulty focusing (at work and out and about)
• Very moody
• Anxiety

Other things which I have noticed in the past week (week 2 of cycle):

• Warmth in face and ears in the afternoon
• Tingling sweat for a few minutes while I am warming up on the treadmill/stepper before my training sessions

I'm a bit of a mess at the moment.

Currently on Axio Test E, 500mg pw, and 30mg Axio dbol per day.

Drop your dose of adex as recommended, up your calorie intake. Force yourself to eat if you have to. EAT EAT EAT !!

Fatigue , loss of appetite, concentration, hot flushes are low estrogen related sides. Give it a few days and see if your situation / condition have improved.

Good Luck and stay focused and positive

I'm currently tapering on 0,25mg e3d, today will be my first dose since Friday. I'll continue with this dose for the week.

After this week, would you recommend dropping the Adex and rather just sticking to a SERM (nolva) while on cycle? I really have not enjoyed this low estrogen rubbish, blah!

Bud you are suffering from low estrogen side effects now you want to add a strong Anti-Estrogen (Nolvadex) into the mix? Your problem is just that you dose the Arimidex too high and your body is not responding well to it. My advice is to run the Arimidex @0.25mg EOD all the way through to the start of PCT. That is exactly how I run it. This should prevent gyno without terrorizing your estrogen. If you find that gyno sides appear again then up the dosage to ED. You need to find your own sweet spot.

Our resident Doctor designed an excellent PCT protocol you can find here: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/images/downlo...le-therapy/PCT-2.pdf

Do not use a nolvadex for estrogen control on cycle. That is old school and nolvadex used long term can increase your risks for any unwanted side effects. For PCT, weening off adex/letro, or for help with gyno symptoms before letro can kick in properly is fine but keep it to that.

Stick to the lower adex dose as suggested. Different people respond differently to AIs. Just small changes to estrogen can have a huge effect on moods. You generally want to keep your estrogen in the normal range of around 25-50pg/ml. Lower than that and you will feel start feeling bleak and have no sex drive. When you are on cycle without an AI even if you have no gyno symptoms you WILL be way over the normal range which can also kill libido so it's best to play around with doses until you find what works for you.

Shot guys, much appreciated.

@Muscleaddict, I'll stick to the Adex at the recommended 0.25mg dose.

@Pyro, that's the PCT I have already planned to run