Primo/test cycle

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24 May 2013 14:27 #139877 by Mfezdro
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Hey all

Been awhile, good to be back. I'm preparing for my next cycle and would appreciate some input.
Stats
Age: 40
Height: 6,3
Weight: 103kgs
BF: 12%, looking to be at 11 when I start.
Previous cycles, Var :oops: ; Var/Eq/Test C; OT/Test C/Proviron; OT/Sust/Proviron/Winny. Always followed by normal PCT.

Goals: Clean moderate gains.
I battle with high test dosages and get gyno symptoms from 500mg/week up. I also battle with joint issues. I can't even look at a bottle of Winny without getting tendonitis, won't touch it again.
I'm looking for a mild cycle that gives nice clean gains in LBM. I'm not after massive size or strength, just athletic build.

Training; Crossfit & Kettlebell style exercise along with MMA.

Cycle
Week 1-12 Primo @500mg/week
Week 1-10 Test E @ 250mg/week (this is just to maintain my test levels and add a bit of punch)
Week 11-16 Test Prop @100mg/week as a bridge into PCT. Might be a bit light on dose here?
Hcg throughout cycle up to PCT.
PCT Clomid & Nolva, pretty mild cycle, is this enough considering Hcg in-cycle?

I may up the test prop dose slightly during the bridge or just use the 4ml left as a frontload @100mg/week for first four weeks.

Any thoughts?

Cheers

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24 May 2013 14:40 #139879 by Pyroclasm
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103 kgs @6 foot 3 and 12% BF but you are after an athletic build? You should be pretty damn big with those stats dude.

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24 May 2013 14:51 #139882 by Mfezdro
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Hey Pyro

That's exactly why I don't want to pick up any more size and another reason I want the test dose low. I compete and have to be in weight class. I would ideally like to get down under 100 but that ship has sailed for now.

I'm pretty happy with where I am, would just like to shred a %, gain strength and harden up. I'm not too worried about sizing up as the type of training I do makes it hard to pick up mass, intensity is too high.

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24 May 2013 14:53 #139885 by Pyroclasm
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Then why the Primo bud?

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24 May 2013 14:57 #139886 by Mfezdro
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My understanding is very low sides and moderate, clean gains from Primo. Not the case?

I see my bridge needs work, won't be able to use the prop with the clearing period. Maybe I should use OT as a bridge.

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24 May 2013 15:01 #139888 by Pyroclasm
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Yes but it is essentially an anabolic compound in other words you will gain muscle. Am I getting this wrong or is that xactly what you don´t want to do? I might get hanged for this, but I can suggest something that should reduce your muscle mass as well as bodyfat. You will also need to adjust your diet. OT (I am assmuning means oral turinabol) is also plain and simply an anabolic substance.

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24 May 2013 15:41 #139898 by Mfezdro
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Thanks Pyro

I see what you mean. I wasn't really clear though, I want to pick up lean body mass, there is no way I will get below 100kg's right now so my goal is to harden up and pick up power. A few kilo's of muscle will obviously come along with that, that's cool. I'm trying to avoid water retention, bloat and androgenic sides that crop up with the usual cycle suspects.

My thinking is use the primo to increase strength and power with the least sides.

Any thoughts on the cycle construction? You right about turinabol for bridge, I will look at something else.

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24 May 2013 15:53 #139903 by Pyroclasm
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Because you are a competitor it is essential to optimise absolutely everything so I need every little detail. Sorry if it´s a bit annoying hey! ;) Also need to discuss many alternatives to find the ebst one. Why can´t you lose 3kgs of mass in the required time? If you want to compete in this type of comp you need to get your bodyfat to about 6-8%, which I think you could lose with just bodyfat and you will look amazing. Alternatively you could lose the muscle alone if you feel that you are too big and need some fat to mask the ´big look´, if you know what I mean.

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