My next cycle is in your hands...

I will not pretend to know anything about steroids. Thus, I'm asking this community to make some suggestions about my next cycle. The last time I I used anything was last year.

My last cycle looked like your typical beginner cycle. Dbol front loading a 10 week injectable of testen 300 followed by winnie + clen and PCT thereafter. Testen was pinned twice a week (Monday and Thursday). The gains were quite good. I also maintained my weight and strength quite well after the cycle.

What would be the next logical step? Now that my diet is on track I'm keen to collect some extra motivation.

As always, your input would be greatly appreciated.

Bud we need your stats? Age, weight, height, bodyfat percentage, years training, ultimate goal.

If u took the necessary time off, then nothing wrong with doing the same cycle. There is no need to rush to add substances as you will still grow.
Also by doing these basic cycles, you will get to understand how your body recovers, how you handle sides etc before moving on to more advanced cycles.

So my advice- repeat or do a test cyp or enanthate cycle with dbols

Pyroclasm wrote: Bud we need your stats? Age, weight, height, bodyfat percentage, years training, ultimate goal.

Pyro,

Age: 29
Weight: 94 Kgs
Height: 188 cm
BF : 8%
Years Training: Roughly 5 years
Ultimate goal: 115 Kgs @ 6 - 8 % body fat.

Thanx bud. From your stats I would say you are pretty lean and you have a good amount of muscle for someone after their first cycle. You still need to gain about 30 kg´s looking at your ultimate goal. This means you need to optimise your cycles as much as possible. What I mean by this is that if you needed to for example gain another 5-10 kgs I would tell you to go balls to the ball with Test, Nandrolone, Anavar, etc. That way you are ensured of a result close to your goal. However in this case you have a lot to put on so we need to ask ourselves what cycle would still give great results wihtout going into the 'next level' so to speak. This is why it is important to know what you are aiming towards. In your case I would recommend (like Ice-rip suggested) another repeat of your first cycle, with maybe a couple of tweaks here and there just cause we can. Sorry for the long explanation it´s more for the benefit of the other people reading this. Post your previous cycle´s dosages please.

ice-rip wrote: If u took the necessary time off, then nothing wrong with doing the same cycle. There is no need to rush to add substances as you will still grow.

Agreed. Only thing is I can't see why you'd need clen.

XyGorf wrote: Now that my diet is on track .........

And this is ??

Bulk or Cut ? Will the cycle be based around your current on track diet, or will this be adjusted as you go along ?

Plan both carefully for optimized results..

The dosages were as follows:

Dianabol: 40mg per day. 25 days.
Testen 300: 1 ml on Monday, 1 ml on Thursday. 10 Weeks.

The day I pinned my last injection I began with:

Stanozol: 40mg per day. 25 days.

Since I needed to get rid of some fat after the cycle, the following was added:
Clenbuterol: 80mcg per day for about three weeks.

PCT:
Clomid: 50 mg twice daily. 7 days.
Nolvadex: 20 mg daily.

Diet right now looks as follows:

Training days
Meal 1:
4 whole eggs
4 egg whites
2/3 cup oats
3000mg evening primrose oil
3000mg flax seed oil
1000mg vit c
multi-vit
b complex

Meal 2:
3 scoops nutritech whey
30g organic peanut butter

Meal 3:
200g chicken breast (cooked weight)
2 cups mixed veg or 2 cups brocolli
30g macadamias

Meal 4:
200g steak or top side mince
1 cup mixed veg or 1 cup brocolli
1 tbsp olive oil

Meal 5: (pre-workout)
2/3 cup oats
30g raisins
nutritech amino boost
200mg caffeine
titan labs glutablast
nutritech HCL creatine

Meal 6: (post-workout)
3 scoops nutritech whey
10g dextrose
titan labs glutablast

Meal 7: (one hour after workout)
200g chicken breast
2 cups mixed veg or 2 cups brocolli
1/2 cup basmati rice

Meal 8:
200g steak or topside mince
30g organic peanut butter

Non training days:

Same foods, with the exception that my carb/protein meals become my first three meals for the day. I do fasted cardio on non training days.

My diet will be adjusted to meet my requirements as I go along. I'm currently a few hundred calories under my minimum requirements. This will be increased slowly over the coming weeks. I estimate that I will be eating above my minimum requirements several weeks before my gear arrives. Right now the goal is to put on size without gaining too much fat. I want to remain in the 8% range before the cylce begins.

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PCT:
Clomid: 50 mg twice daily. 7 days.
Nolvadex: 20 mg daily. ...... for 30 days after clomid ?


Do the same cycle again ...weres the HCG in your PCT ?

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mike123 wrote: .

What would be the next logical step? Now that my diet is on track I'm keen to collect some extra motivation at the **** ****** (so to speak).

As always, your input would be greatly appreciated.

carefull of references to names and places boet

Sure thing..

Id also say stick to the same cycle maybe give cyp a run instead of the testen, see how that works for you.

And from week 3 on your cycle id suggest you start using HCG @250iu's twice a week just to make sure that you don't shut down and so that your PCT will go smoothly

Diet looks good, got some quality foods in there, glad to see you did your homework there

Good looking diet dude! It works for you so stick to it. If I had to nitpick I would say you need 50g Dextrose after workout not 10g. You could bump up the pre-workout oats to a full cup.

Cycle looks good! This time round do 12 weeks instead of 10, and keep the remaining test for your next cycle. See how everything goes during cycle then if you have gained a bit of fat during cycle (shit happens hey) then go for Clen and Yohimbine. Your use of Clen is a bit dangerous to start at 80mcg. Have a read in the Clenbuterol sticky for proper use.

Add HCG during cycle. Week 5-14 HCG @250iu twice a week.

Pyroclasm wrote: Good looking diet dude! It works for you so stick to it. If I had to nitpick I would say you need 50g Dextrose after workout not 10g. You could bump up the pre-workout oats to a full cup.

Cycle looks good! This time round do 12 weeks instead of 10, and keep the remaining test for your next cycle. See how everything goes during cycle then if you have gained a bit of fat during cycle (shit happens hey) then go for Clen and Yohimbine. Your use of Clen is a bit dangerous to start at 80mcg. Have a read in the Clenbuterol sticky for proper use.

Add HCG during cycle. Week 5-14 HCG @250iu twice a week.

Agreed even I start Clen at 40mcg and sometimes it still hits me hard. Dextrose also I would say 30-50g or vitargo 30g worked really well for me.

Koe007 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Good looking diet dude! It works for you so stick to it. If I had to nitpick I would say you need 50g Dextrose after workout not 10g. You could bump up the pre-workout oats to a full cup.

Cycle looks good! This time round do 12 weeks instead of 10, and keep the remaining test for your next cycle. See how everything goes during cycle then if you have gained a bit of fat during cycle (shit happens hey) then go for Clen and Yohimbine. Your use of Clen is a bit dangerous to start at 80mcg. Have a read in the Clenbuterol sticky for proper use.

Add HCG during cycle. Week 5-14 HCG @250iu twice a week.

Agreed even I start Clen at 40mcg and sometimes it still hits me hard. Dextrose also I would say 30-50g or vitargo 30g worked really well for me.

The only reason why I've kept the dextrose so low is because I seem to be very sensitive to carbs. It really isn't hard for me to get fat. Also, regarding the clen at 80mcg...






...That explains a few things

Thanks for the help guys. This answers my question. I'm actually pleased, this cycle was quite cheap. Haha. I will be seeing the bio in about a week for fresh measurements. I'll likely adjust my diet once more and then I'll probably get started. I'll post some progress pics as I go along.

Bro, up your dextrose after your workout trust me you wont gain fat from that, straight after a workout your muscle glycogen levels are low, so the dextrose is perfect for replenishing those levels, all will go to your muscles, fat gain wont be an issue here

Well done on doing your research man. There are too many people relying on bro science around these days. Now is a great chance for you to learn about the compounds you are taking and start making informed decisions regarding your future cycles. Go read through the articles section for info. It should take you about 30 mins to get a crash course in and its a great way to start. All the best man


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