Kickstart for my 2nd cycle

FIllet
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05 Jul 2013 10:02 #143491 by FIllet

Kickstart for my 2nd cycle was created by FIllet

For my next cyple of PGW Cyp and NPP i will obviously kickstart with an oral and just wondering which is better here so i would like some opinions.

1) Dbol at 30mg daily, i used this on first cycle, felt great mentally but did not like the bloating and thickening.

2) Tbol, not sure of the dosage per day on this one, please advise?

3) Anapolon, also not sure of the dosage

I am guessing that many would go with the Tbol but could be wrong. Plan is to use either one for four weeks.

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Pyroclasm
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05 Jul 2013 10:09 #143492 by Pyroclasm

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T-Bol @60mg ED. Anapolon @100mg per day. My vote goes for the T-Bol, as the Anapolon will bloat you twice as much as D-Bol.

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Oupa
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05 Jul 2013 10:12 #143493 by Oupa

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Tbol @ 60mg ED 5 weeks Split dosages 20mg x 3 / 24hours. Very good oral.

Anapolons - Not a big fan tbo.

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05 Jul 2013 10:18 #143494 by FIllet

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Thaks Pyro and Oupa

Question: Why does Dbol make you feel like a mini god?

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05 Jul 2013 10:24 #143495 by Oupa

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I have never used dbols so i cant comment.

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Pyroclasm
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05 Jul 2013 10:45 - 05 Jul 2013 10:46 #143496 by Pyroclasm

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Also have never used D-Bols but have read millions of reviews on it, so take my ideas with a pinch of salt and a wedge of lime. Not everyone feels like a god while on it. Some feel bloated and depro, some only feel strength gains, some feel nothing. If I may speculate, you might feel so good because:
1) Your strength gains are unlike any you have ever felt.
2) Your testosterone levels are much higher than normal which definately gives off a feeling of well being and can make you feel like an alpha-male. Essentially all traits associated with being an alpha-male are associated with high testosterone.
3) The placebo effect. Your brain is a very powerful tool. If it truly believes it is an alpha because of a new drug, it can cause physical changes in your body to accompany this new trait.

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p1et
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05 Jul 2013 11:47 #143499 by p1et

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I loved dbol, the stenght gains on them for me was insane. The down side to this was I was moody and very short tempered on them. Had to drop them after two weeks due to some unwanted gyno symptoms though.

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05 Jul 2013 12:56 #143505 by Kkkyle

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I love dbol. Never tried anything else though so it's a bit biased but the strength is just insane!

Love the buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! :evil:

I'd rather die standing than live a life on my knees.

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FIllet
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05 Jul 2013 13:13 #143507 by FIllet

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I agree fully on the strength factor, yes. Did not like the insane amount of bulky gain accompanied by bloat and then a sudden loss of that bulk after discontinuation. I also had much heartburn on Dbol. Was doing some comparrisons on the net Tbol vs Dbol and Tbol comes out tops for lean muscle and retention ability compared to Dbol. Think i will try Tbol this time around then i can measure it up against Dbol more accurately and on a personal level.

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Jaxcs
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05 Jul 2013 13:16 #143509 by Jaxcs

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Hi bud I have used tbol and dbol and I would go with the dbol just keep your diet extra clean while on it and you should not have much bloat if at any and dink lots of water. Well I did not notice much. If u do go with tbol I would up the does to 80 cos I used 60 and did not feel any thing much and it was oral tec.

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05 Jul 2013 13:22 #143514 by FIllet

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Interesting, thanks for your feedback Jaxcs

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p1et
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05 Jul 2013 13:25 - 05 Jul 2013 13:25 #143515 by p1et

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I have seen a few guys on here saying tbol was very disappointing.

Fillet if your budget allows it why not front load with prop?

The fact that you are running cyp with npp might cause you to shut down completely due to the npp kicking in much quiker than the cyp.

If you cant do the prop why not opt for super test instead of cyp at least.

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05 Jul 2013 13:36 #143517 by FIllet

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Funny thing Prog is that i was thinking about that and have a few pennies left to spare. Your thoughts? 1ml EOD for 4 weeks? Dont want to change the cyp bro, dont get sides from it and i have it. Ya the NPP shutdown bothers me but i will follow full pct3!

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05 Jul 2013 13:37 #143518 by Muscleaddict

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I prefer tbol to dbol. I don't like the water retention on dbol but it does make you feel tops. The water retention is a big factor in the strength though.

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05 Jul 2013 13:40 #143519 by FIllet

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Gotta love it when MA pops in to say howzit. Thanks for your thoughts MA, so concerning my cycle would you front load tbol (and how many MG 60?) or prop. Lots of pinning.

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TheBarbellBarbarian
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05 Jul 2013 14:04 #143524 by TheBarbellBarbarian

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Give T-bol a go at 60mg.
Most people have positive reviews about it.
If if doesn't work well for you,you can try prop or d-bol again next time.
Everyone is different,some will rate t-bol others will rate d-bol so see what works for you

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Oupa
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05 Jul 2013 14:12 #143526 by Oupa

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LP Tbol 5 weeks @ 60mg ED
PGW Prop 10 weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW NPP 10 Weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW Masteron 10 Weeks @ 100mg EOD
LP Winny bridge @ 50mg ED

Let it sink in........... Lekka hey

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05 Jul 2013 14:35 #143528 by p1et

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Oupa wrote: LP Tbol 5 weeks @ 60mg ED
PGW Prop 10 weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW NPP 10 Weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW Masteron 10 Weeks @ 100mg EOD
LP Winny bridge @ 50mg ED

Let it sink in........... Lekka hey

Moet nie kos voor die honger kinders se gesig hang nie:p

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05 Jul 2013 14:45 #143531 by FIllet

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LP Tbol 5 weeks @ 60mg ED
PGW Prop 10 weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW NPP 10 Weeks @ 150mg EOD
PGW Masteron 10 Weeks @ 100mg EOD
LP Winny bridge @ 50mg ED

Let it sink in........... Lekka hey

There is my third cycle Oupa, looks great, will have to save for that...

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Oupa
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05 Jul 2013 14:56 #143534 by Oupa

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Save for it, it will be worth it.

You are genetically a big boy! Give tbol frontload a shot, it works very well. What brand will you be using for the tbols ?

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FIllet
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05 Jul 2013 15:20 #143542 by FIllet

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It will be LP Oupa

Thanks for that motivation, kept a lot of weight from cycle 1 so i cant wait for cycle 2. Need to reach my target eventually of 125kg ripped.

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05 Jul 2013 15:27 #143545 by Oupa

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You cant go wrong with LP and PGW ! Good luck .

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05 Jul 2013 15:42 #143549 by jackrabbit1

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You don't really need to frontload NPP and you might want to experience that addition by itself? How you react, when you come up on it, when you hit a peak etc. It really is lovely stuff.

Dbol - my BP shot up with sugar or salt. Made me feel real crap.
TBol - did nothing for me.
Anavar - Hectic joint pains.
Winstrol - some joint pain.
I had zero of the dreaded sides from Anapolon - best oral I ever used. And that at 100mg/day.

As for the shutdown - HCG 250iu 2/week will help plenty.
I always also used to run prop for a month after the last NPP.

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05 Jul 2013 16:43 #143552 by FIllet

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Thanks JR. I was going to run the cyp two weeks longer then npp. In terms of it being good, which I have heard a lot of, how good is muscle retention post cycle? Obviously training and diet must be in order

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05 Jul 2013 16:53 #143553 by Muscleaddict

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Good advice oom jack. NPP is a kickstart on it's own so an oral isn't necessary but if you want to add an oral I would go tbol or superdrol. I've had awesome results from superdrol in the past. It is just very toxic and you feel lethargic on it. I've had some in my cupboard since April waiting for my next cycle also with NPP.

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