Cycle Advise - AGAIN

Brothers in gear and lifting, I need help again. For some reason this 2nd cycle is really consfusing me so this will be the last time I ask where I have messed up. Hypersomnia makes me forget and get confused sometimes.

Over and above what I am about to mention as my plan below I also have 10ml test prop which I have not sloted in, please help me do that and I remember Oom JR saying at the start of cycle. I have these exact quantities and am not going to make anymore purchases for this next cycle.

Before I go and due to quantities I realize that its not good to use less test then 19 nor and perhaps the Prop should be used at start of cycle to increase test volume.

Week 1 to week 3
Test Cyp 400mg divided into 2 injections per week
NPP 450mg divided into 3 injections per week
Dbol 30mg ED

Week 4
Test Cyp 450mg, divided into 2 injections per week
NPP 450mg divided into 3 injections per week
HCG 500IU, 250IU x2 per week

Week 5 to week 10
Test Cyp 550mg, divided into 2 injections
NPP 450mg, 3 injections per week
HCG 500IU, 250IU x2 per week

Week 11 and week 12
Test CYp 550mg
HCG 500iu

Week 13 to end week 16
Proviron 60mg ED
Winstrol 50mg ED
HCG 500IU

Week 17
Clomid 100mg ED

Week 18
Nolva 20mg ED
Aromasin 20mg ED

Week 19 to end week 21
Nolva 20mg ED
Aromasin 20mg ED
HCG 1500 IU, divided into three doses of 500IU per week

Cabaser and Arimidex on hand

Should i throw that Prop in from Week 1 to 3?
Did i F*** up on this plan?

Cyp at 2ml / 500mg from week one right through ...
HCG in PCT = 500iu EOD by 10 with Nolva...

never used Prop ...lets see what ouprop says ..

Thanks Mike, to do that i will either have to purchase another 10ml cyp or cut the cycling of cyp down to 10 weeks?
I am also using HCG in cycle and thought that 1500IU was the correct dose in PCT when 19 Nor is concerned?

FIllet wrote: Thanks Mike, to do that i will either have to purchase another 10ml cyp or cut the cycling of cyp down to 10 weeks?
I am also using HCG in cycle and thought that 1500IU was the correct dose in PCT when 19 Nor is concerned?

Dont think you can cut the cyp down to 10 weeks as you will need to run it for at least 2 weeks more than your NPP. Why dont you just front load with the prop that you have and add in the cyp 2-3 weeks in? That way you would be able to run your cyp for 12 weeks

I have 10ml prop, 100mg per ml which i think wont be enough. What if i used 300mg prop per week for the first three weeks with the cyp until i reach the desired 550mg weekly use of Cyp?

You don't HAVE to run test higher than a 19nor, you can use test as a secondary substance and 19nor as primary. But we can discuss this in detail in a future cycle.

1ml test prop aint gonna do much as a front load, you already have npp and dbols. Work it into the final & overlapping your bridge period and lets discuss from there.

Start the cyp at 500mg/week. You want it to build up to maximum levels in your blood as fast as possible. 10 weeks is is fine but if you want to make it a 12 week cycle this is what I would do if I had that gear. I always frontload my test with a double dose with long esters to build up plasma levels faster so I would do 1000mg the first week, then 500mg/week for 8 weeks. From week 9 I would do the test prop at 100mg EOD which would last 3 weeks. Just that the last prop shot would be 50mg. No problem.

That sounds like a f***ing plan Muscle Addict.
When would the pct kick in then because its cyp for 8 weeks, NPP for 10 weeks and Prop for 3 weeks post CYP? 3 - 6 days after last prop shot?

2 weeks after your last prop shot. Just also be aware that if you don't take cabaser you can still have elevated prolactin from the NPP without developing gyno. Just because you don't have side effects it doesn't mean prolactin is fine. This can slow down your recovery of your natural testosterone even with a good PCT.

14 days after last prop shot...

The info available from the guys on this site is just amazing.

How to take the cabaser then? Thought it was like arimidex on testosterone and only used if needed.

RvP wrote: Dont think you can cut the cyp down to 10 weeks as you will need to run it for at least 2 weeks more than your NPP.

Guys please running the test longer than the NPP is Oupa's own idea and experience that works for him. Also Oupa uses test prop which has a very short half life. So in total Oupa has about two weeks more test in his system than NPP to speak crudely. If you are going to use a medium ester like Cyp or Enanthate and wish to follow Oupa's idea then run the Test and NPP up to the same point, in which case you will also have two weeks more of test in your system than NPP because of the longer ester.

Running the test longer than the npp ensures that your testosterone is high enough to suppress prolactin levels. If your test levels drop before the npp clears your recovery will take longer.

Yep, good point pr0gr3siv3. It's a fact that high testosterone levels help to suppresses prolactin. When prolactin rears it's ugly head it can hang around for a long time and cause big hormonal problems.

Okay so concerning this ugly mother f**ker call prolactin, i would like to give it a miss...
So cabasser from day one of NPP at 0.25mg x2 per week. I have enough Cabasser for 8 weeks so should i purchase more? Doing some reasearch i found that it great for the sexual sides effects but has some nasty side effects of its own but rather safe then sorry. Its the same stuff they use for Parkinsons disease, correct?

Muscleaddict wrote: Yep, good point pr0gr3siv3. It's a fact that high testosterone levels help to suppresses prolactin. When prolactin rears it's ugly head it can hang around for a long time and cause big hormonal problems.

I too thought it was only applicable to Deca and not NPP .. short ester ..anyway if u dont get prolactin sides and then didnt take Cabasser ....what would the signs be if any that prolactin is too high or is it only possible to know from a blood test ? what the time period that it could hang around ?

excuse me for using your thread Fillet... all related to Prolactin..

All good brother Mike, i have the same queries so lets see for some assistance especially the use of cabaser. Sides i think you will notice quick, puffy nipples, loss of sex drive etc.

Thanks Fill ....didnt get those sides from Deca but was told to get cabaser incase ..but now I am hearing that the prolactin could still be to high without sides ....

M A were u ?

The prolactin problem applies to any 19nor steroid. It all depends on the person. Some people don't have prolactin issues, some do. Prolactin can be elevated for a few months after NPP. Can't be sure how long because there are no studies on this, but it would also depend on your dose. I've read about prolactin problems 9 months after deca and tren!

@Fillet It would be best to get more cabaser, otherwise you can start the cabaser 4 weeks in and then run to week 12 (2 weeks past the NPP) which 'should' be ok but some people do need 1mg a week. Best to get more though and run it 3/4 weeks longer than NPP.

M A do u use Cabaser regardless or only if sides appear ? if yes what dose ?

As always appreciated feedback MA, will do exactly that...

Minimum of 0.50mg a week. Mon 0.25mg / Thu 0.25mg

Reading up on all this Clen sounds good, you guys think I should throw some Clen in after this cycle. When would I start to use it and for how long?

Was thinking using it 3 to 4 weeks post pct3, starting at 20mcg and gradually increasing by 20mcg until I reach the desired 120 to 140mcgs?

Be carefull trying to loose weight just after finishing a cycle.. its when your most catabolic, you could end up loosing gains. Post cycle you should be trying to maintain your new muscle gains by keeping your calorie intake high.