First Cycle

Hey Guys and Girls

I would like to start growing like a weed now I was thinking of running the following

Week 1-4 Dianabol at 30mg per day
Week 1-12 Testosterone Cyp at 250mg every week

pct
day 1-7 clomid 100mg a day
day 8-37 kessar 20mg a day

would I need proviron for such a small cycle maybe?

my stats are

1.86m tall
94kg's
9%Bf

what u guys think

I'd bump the dosages

500mg test cyp a week
40mg dbol ed

Add winny at 40mg ed to bridge to pct.

Increase macro's, eat, train and grow.

Definitely 500mg test cyp per week. 250mg is not enough.

Proviron is cheap so will definitely add it in. You can do 40mg dbol. You will need to get a AI as in letro or arimidex incase you start getting gyno issues.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Proviron is cheap so will definitely add it in. You can do 40mg dbol. You will need to get a AI as in letro or arimidex incase you start getting gyno issues.

Cheap? lol clearly Im shopping at the wrong place. To run proviron @ a minimum of 60mg ed through out the cycle will cost almost dbl of just a dbol and test cyp cycle by it's ace.

Fakey_AK wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Proviron is cheap so will definitely add it in. You can do 40mg dbol. You will need to get a AI as in letro or arimidex incase you start getting gyno issues.

Cheap? lol clearly Im shopping at the wrong place. To run proviron @ a minimum of 60mg ed through out the cycle will cost almost dbl of just a dbol and test cyp cycle by it's ace.

Ha ha no way dude. I would look for another supplier. To give you an idea I paid around the same for 100tabs bayer proviron as I payed for 150 caps oc dbols.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

Fakey_AK wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Proviron is cheap so will definitely add it in. You can do 40mg dbol. You will need to get a AI as in letro or arimidex incase you start getting gyno issues.

Cheap? lol clearly Im shopping at the wrong place. To run proviron @ a minimum of 60mg ed through out the cycle will cost almost dbl of just a dbol and test cyp cycle by it's ace.

Ha ha no way dude. I would look for another supplier. To give you an idea I paid around the same for 100tabs bayer proviron as I payed for 150 caps oc dbols.

Very suspicious about that one. First time I've heard of proviron being referred to as cheap as well. Sceptical when something is way cheaper than a lot of legit labs or brands. Not saying its fake or anything progressive don't get me wrong

I have a friend who also laughs at the price I get proviron for, he gets bayer as well for a ridiculously low price. Personally I don't mind paying extra for brand and to support local UGL's.

MCJ wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

Fakey_AK wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Proviron is cheap so will definitely add it in. You can do 40mg dbol. You will need to get a AI as in letro or arimidex incase you start getting gyno issues.

Cheap? lol clearly Im shopping at the wrong place. To run proviron @ a minimum of 60mg ed through out the cycle will cost almost dbl of just a dbol and test cyp cycle by it's ace.

Ha ha no way dude. I would look for another supplier. To give you an idea I paid around the same for 100tabs bayer proviron as I payed for 150 caps oc dbols.

Very suspicious about that one. First time I've heard of proviron being referred to as cheap as well. Sceptical when something is way cheaper than a lot of legit labs or brands. Not saying its fake or anything progressive don't get me wrong

Ha ha no idea then coz I have seen guy on here also refer to it as "too cheap to leave out". Anyway if he cant get it for cheap then sure leave it out.

Lets stay on the topic guys, we can continue this dbol vs prov in generals.

sorry guys I was out for the evening. You all say I should go 500mg a week of test but this is my first cycle why so high?

Read twice to understand...

Muscleaddict wrote: a healthy guy makes around 70mg of testosterone on a good week, but when injecting 250mg of test cyp you must realise that 40mg of that is ester weight, leaving 210mg of testosterone and then you need to take into account the reduced bioavailability of IM injections which are also affected by injection location leaving you between about 50%-75% bioavailability before you have to deal with other factors in the body. A 250mg injection will not even double serum testosterone levels in most average young guys with say a normal 650ng/dl test level.

500mg per week. twice a week 1ml - 250mg is perfect.

Oupa wrote: Read twice to understand...

Muscleaddict wrote: a healthy guy makes around 70mg of testosterone on a good week, but when injecting 250mg of test cyp you must realise that 40mg of that is ester weight, leaving 210mg of testosterone and then you need to take into account the reduced bioavailability of IM injections which are also affected by injection location leaving you between about 50%-75% bioavailability before you have to deal with other factors in the body. A 250mg injection will not even double serum testosterone levels in most average young guys with say a normal 650ng/dl test level.

500mg per week. twice a week 1ml - 250mg is perfect.

Let me just add this...

Day before my weekly 250mg Testoviron(TestE) shot I had bloods done.
Free test was over 1500 - and that with my "TRT" dose for the past 5 months.
When I ran:
2 X 250mg Testoviron, Deca 525mg, Masteron 150mg per week my free test was just over 2000.

so why not do 300mg then that extra 50mg will make up for the lost and then I should sit close to double serum test levels?

Jacobs wrote: so why not do 300mg then that extra 50mg will make up for the lost and then I should sit close to double serum test levels?

Dude the beginners dose is 500mg its not a big dose more the sweet spot ....the experianced use 1 to 2 grams ....u can do the 300mg but u might be disapointed once u get going ...

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Oupa wrote: Read twice to understand...

Muscleaddict wrote: a healthy guy makes around 70mg of testosterone on a good week, but when injecting 250mg of test cyp you must realise that 40mg of that is ester weight, leaving 210mg of testosterone and then you need to take into account the reduced bioavailability of IM injections which are also affected by injection location leaving you between about 50%-75% bioavailability before you have to deal with other factors in the body. A 250mg injection will not even double serum testosterone levels in most average young guys with say a normal 650ng/dl test level.

500mg per week. twice a week 1ml - 250mg is perfect.

Let me just add this...

Day before my weekly 250mg Testoviron(TestE) shot I had bloods done.
Free test was over 1500 - and that with my "TRT" dose for the past 5 months.
When I ran:
2 X 250mg Testoviron, Deca 525mg, Masteron 150mg per week my free test was just over 2000.

In a 2001 double-blind, randomized study study to test testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men, men were administered various doses of testosterone. 12 received weekly injections of 300mg testosterone enanthate for 20 weeks while 13 received 600mg weekly.

The average testosterone levels in the 300mg group were 1,345ng/dL and 2,370ng/dL in the 600mg group. The participants were healthy men, 18–35 yr of age, with prior weight-lifting experience and normal testosterone levels. These men had not used any anabolic agents.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Dec;281(6):E1172-81.

I can't explain the differences. :huh:

What are you haven't trouble with MA maybe I can help you?

Pyroclasm wrote: What are you haven't trouble with MA maybe I can help you?

Nah no biggy. I meant the difference between Oom JR's bloods and the averge figure of 1,345ng/dL in the study. I found another where average levels were higher in a group of young men given testosterone:

"Among participants in the testosterone enanthate plus placebo groups, the mean testosterone level was 385 ng/dL for 50 mg/week, 822 ng/dL for 125 mg/week, 1702 ng/dL for 300 mg/week"

Journal of American Medicine Association 2012;307:931-939, 968-970

Considering my first cycle was 400mg/week of pharmaceutical grade test I would not recommend using less. I always wished that I had used more.

Well, that's what the doc told me - and remember that was a day before my scheduled shot as well. Maybe the Hcg/Aromasin/Animal Pak and handful of other vits also has some effect.

To an engineer the word average doesn't mean jack without a standard deviation.

jackrabbit1 wrote: Well, that's what the doc told me - and remember that was a day before my scheduled shot as well. Maybe the Hcg/Aromasin/Animal Pak and handful of other vits also has some effect.

Ah ok now that makes more sense. HCG could account for 500+ ng/dL of that.