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29 Sep 2013 13:03 #152299 by gym-guy
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i would like your inputs into my next cycle please.

i am planning the following cycle:

Week 1- 14 : EQ 700/per week (Sunday & Thurs)
Week 1- 16 : Test E 600 / per week (same)
Week 1 - 4 & Week 14 - 16 : Test Prop 300 / per week

I will have the following on hand:
- letro
- proviron
- arimedex

My questions:
1. I like to keep my cycles simple;
(a) should i add Proviron? for how long should i run it i.e. how many weeks
(b) same with Arimidex: should i add it? for how long? or only keep it on hand for excessive bloating?
(c) am i correct in thinking i wont need Cabaser? only when you use NPP, deca, etc - right?

ive done four NPP and Test Prop cycles now one after each other and it really works so well for me both in terms of lean muscle increase and fat loss and looking real lean and vascular. However, i noticed in my last cycle (which ended in May 2013) that it wasnt as effective ie. i had to increase the dosages to feel/see the differences. i think my body just got used to the substances. so i want to try something different.

ive done an EQ/Test E cycle before, before shifting to the short acting esters because it is just so much better to manage (for me anyway). Also i am worried about high blood pressure - on the previous cycle i noticed an increase in HBP towards the end of the cycle - maybe because you have to run it for so long and EQ signficantly increases ones red blood count. This time round i think i am more educated and i will monitor it alot closely (got my own machine now too) and taking supplements such as Co-Enz q10 etc.

2) what are you views on HBP on this EQ/Test E cycle?

On this:

3) i thought of running Test Prop with EQ throughout, but running Test Prop for 16 weeks is a bad idea - right?

4) what other combinations for a next cycle would you suggest. Components i stay away from include: Masteron, Tren and orals.

PCT:
i will be trying Doc's PCT 3 for this cycle. Is this correct? I have never done 3 before - just PCT 2.

My stats:
age: 35
height: 1.78
weight: 94kg (when i started i weighed 56kg)
Goal: to add 2kg lean mass to my weight
Bf: around 15 % ( i can see my abs clearly and defined) ... but i doing alot of cardio at the moment to get down to 13/12% before cycle
Training: since 21. do cardio (at home) in the mornings, and gym at night after work around 8pm
Diet: DJ worked out a diet for me about 3 years ago which i diligently follow and have made great gain since then. For this cycle i think i will play around with the macros and just up it a bit.

your advice always appreciated. thanks.

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29 Sep 2013 21:22 #152318 by Pyroclasm
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gym-guy wrote: i would like your inputs into my next cycle please.

i am planning the following cycle:

Week 1- 14 : EQ 700/per week (Sunday & Thurs)
Week 1- 16 : Test E 600 / per week (same)
Week 1 - 4 & Week 14 - 16 : Test Prop 300 / per week

Great cycle that! I would recommend you run HCG @250iu twice a week from week 4 to help with PCT. Makes a HUGE difference. 21 weeks of being shut down is no joke.

I will have the following on hand:
- letro
- proviron
- arimedex

My questions:
1. I like to keep my cycles simple;
(a) should i add Proviron? for how long should i run it i.e. how many weeks
No reason you shouldn´t add proviron. I add Proviron to all cycles. Just depends whether you have the cash to burn. If so, run it at 50mg ED throughout up to the start of PCT.
(b) same with Arimidex: should i add it? for how long? or only keep it on hand for excessive bloating?
Don´t add an AI unless you are prone to gyno.
(c) am i correct in thinking i wont need Cabaser? only when you use NPP, deca, etc - right?
Correct.

ive done four NPP and Test Prop cycles now one after each other and it really works so well for me both in terms of lean muscle increase and fat loss and looking real lean and vascular. However, i noticed in my last cycle (which ended in May 2013) that it wasnt as effective ie. i had to increase the dosages to feel/see the differences. i think my body just got used to the substances. so i want to try something different.

Exactly that- your body simply gets used to the compounds and you need more for the same effects. Just like with all medication.

ive done an EQ/Test E cycle before, before shifting to the short acting esters because it is just so much better to manage (for me anyway). Also i am worried about high blood pressure - on the previous cycle i noticed an increase in HBP towards the end of the cycle - maybe because you have to run it for so long and EQ signficantly increases ones red blood count. This time round i think i am more educated and i will monitor it alot closely (got my own machine now too) and taking supplements such as Co-Enz q10 etc.

2) what are you views on HBP on this EQ/Test E cycle?

EQ does increase Blood Pressure, especially if you are prone to it. Simply monitor your BP and if it gets a bit high then drop the dose of EQ to 500mg per week.

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3) i thought of running Test Prop with EQ throughout, but running Test Prop for 16 weeks is a bad idea - right?

Nothing technically wrong with it, but
1) Injecting EOD for 16 weeks you will start to feel like a pin cushion.
2) You will also be running Test-En, so you will effectively be running a lot more test. Keep the test prop as a front load and bridge like you are doing. Up the Test-En dose.


4) what other combinations for a next cycle would you suggest. Components i stay away from include: Masteron, Tren and orals.

One step at a time Forest Gump. We will cross that bridge when we get to it. ;)

PCT:
i will be trying Doc's PCT 3 for this cycle. Is this correct? I have never done 3 before - just PCT 2.

Indeed for a cycle this long you need PCT 3, as well as HCG during your cycle.

My stats:
age: 35
height: 1.78
weight: 94kg (when i started i weighed 56kg)
Goal: to add 2kg lean mass to my weight
This is very little bud. Aim for 3kg. :lol:
Bf: around 15 % ( i can see my abs clearly and defined) ... but i doing alot of cardio at the moment to get down to 13/12% before cycle
If you can see your abs clearly I doubt it is that high unless you carry all your weight elsewhere.
Training: since 21. do cardio (at home) in the mornings, and gym at night after work around 8pm
Diet: DJ worked out a diet for me about 3 years ago which i diligently follow and have made great gain since then. For this cycle i think i will play around with the macros and just up it a bit.

your advice always appreciated. thanks.

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29 Sep 2013 21:38 #152325 by gym-guy
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Thanks for the advice Pyroclasm - appreciate it

Never experienced gyno, so will keep the ai on hand just in case - ive never actually ran a cycle this long

I like the advice of running a lower EQ ... I will start at 600 but if i see my HBP increasing i will drop the EQ a little.

Question: should you always run higher test than EQ?

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29 Sep 2013 21:46 - 29 Sep 2013 21:51 #152327 by Pyroclasm
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If you don´t get gyno then just keep an AI on hand for incase. No there´s no reason you have to run more Test than EQ. For a 19-nor like Tren or Nandrolone you have to.

Tbh bud the cycle you are suggesting is too mild for someone with your cycle experience. For your comparison my first cycle was Test-En @600mg/week with EQ @400mg/week. How do you feel about running Deca in this cycle instead of the EQ? I think you will be much happier with the results.
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29 Sep 2013 23:07 #152337 by gym-guy
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Isnt deca and NPP in the same class? So with my previous NPP cycles, wont my body also be used to the deca? I havent tried deca ... But reading up alot of people state that NPP is by far more superior to deca. My preference is shorter cycles, so i am definitely keen to hear your advice on this

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30 Sep 2013 13:02 #152378 by Pyroclasm
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Bud NPP is Nandrolone attached to the phenyl-propoinate ester. The half life for this is 4-6 days. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. So it´s the same active ingredient just attached to a different delivery mechanism (the Decanoate ester. The half life for the Decanoate ester is 15-18 days. So it just takes much longer to become active. There is no reason to think that NPP is superior to Deca as they are both the same thing, just with another transport mechanism.

Yes your body is used to the Deca but that is not to say it will be completely ineffective. You will just need to up the dose, and not expect such dramatic results, but ineffective? No. Remember your body is heavily used to Testosterone as well now.

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30 Sep 2013 18:36 #152458 by gym-guy
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Thanks Pyroclasm

So you advise the deca/testE is a better cycle than Eq/testE cycle? Because you can run it for a shorter period?
My thinking was to do something completely different so that i can eventually do NPP at a level where i dont need such high dosages again (thats if my body does have the memory of previous cycles??)

On deca - i will have to add an ai and cabaser?

Thanks for the advice hey, i appreciate the time you take.

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30 Sep 2013 19:35 #152461 by Pyroclasm
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I do it gladly bud! Deca should be run at more or less the same length as EQ because of the extremely long half life of the Deca Ester (for EQ it´s the Undecylenate ester). Yes on Deca you will need Cabasser even if you are not prone to prolactin gyno, but no AI unless you are prone to gyno. AI´s do affect gains and place unnecessary strain on the system. The only way to get your body more responsive to AAS is by not using it for many years. I would advise you just keep on with the Nandrolone.

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