Tbol only cycle - few tips

Hi Guys, I am planning on doing a tbol only cycle for various reasons, and it is not that I am scared of pinning. :lol:.

Between being sick, a vacation and an injury that still haunts me some days, I have lost quite a bit
of muscle mass, and gained a bit of fat for sticking to my 3500cal diet while not exercising like I should.

My goal with this is thus to pick 3-4kg of lean muscle, while sweating out my unwanted body fat. I only have 3 questions regarding this cycle that I hope someone can help me answer.

1. Duration:
6, 7, or 8 weeks? - I am thinking 8?

2. Dosage:
How long do I do 40mg before upping to 60mg? - Was thinking of doing 40mg for the 1st week, then upping it to 60mg?

3. Liver pills:
Some people say it lessens gains, and that you should use it before and after? I am assuming it is safer to take it throughout, so how much gains will I lose doing that?

1. 6 weeks if your liver is ok 8 at a push
2. correct
3.milk thistle before essential during ...the theory is that M T clears out the little minute amount of roid in your liver which could still metabolise and give "minute gains "
at the end of the day do u want healthy liver or a extra bit of gain .

Now having said this if u are over 15 % and not around 12 % then you are wasting your time...also u are going to get a taste of what could be and so then kick yourself for not adding test ...but your choice ...was my first cycle back in the day.

Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply

mike123 wrote: 1. 6 weeks if your liver is ok 8 at a push

Will do 7 at the most then.

mike123 wrote: 3.milk thistle before essential during ...the theory is that M T clears out the little minute amount of roid in your liver which could still metabolise and give "minute gains "
at the end of the day do u want healthy liver or a extra bit of gain

Then I will drink milk thistle all the way throughout. That was my plan from the start. Just wanted to make sure I don't lose like 20%+ gains.

mike123 wrote: Now having said this if u are over 15 % and not around 12 % then you are wasting your time...also u are going to get a taste of what could be and so then kick yourself for not adding test ...but your choice ...was my first cycle back in the day.

Bodyfat went up from 10% to 12% and weight stayed pretty much the same. I am saving up for a proper cycle, I just want to do this cycle to get back where I usually am, maybe a bit extra, before December

tramacet wrote: Hi Guys, I am planning on doing a tbol only cycle for various reasons, and it is not that I am scared of pinning. :lol:.

Between being sick, a vacation and an injury that still haunts me some days, I have lost quite a bit
of muscle mass, and gained a bit of fat for sticking to my 3500cal diet while not exercising like I should.

My goal with this is thus to pick 3-4kg of lean muscle, while sweating out my unwanted body fat. I only have 3 questions regarding this cycle that I hope someone can help me answer.

1. Duration:
6, 7, or 8 weeks? - I am thinking 8?

8 Weeks is fine with proper liver support.

2. Dosage:
How long do I do 40mg before upping to 60mg? - Was thinking of doing 40mg for the 1st week, then upping it to 60mg?

Start 60mg and run it all the way through.

3. Liver pills:
Some people say it lessens gains, and that you should use it before and after? I am assuming it is safer to take it throughout, so how much gains will I lose doing that?

Throw stones at those people, and run proper liver support throughout your cycle. Only thing you shouldn´t run is Milk Thistle. Great choices on cycle are Liv52, and Essentiale/Cruciale, but there are many others too.

Forgive me if I sound like an ass, but just something to think about is that a lesson for the future is to cut cals while inactive.. Don´t want to see you make the same mistake twice bud.

Pyroclasm wrote: Forgive me if I sound like an ass, but just something to think about is that a lesson for the future is to cut cals while inactive.. Don´t want to see you make the same mistake twice bud.

Yea it was pretty stupid, but I struggled my *** off to eat this much... now my body wants all this food :pinch:

Thanks Pyro.

Will start with 60mg ED for 7 weeks. Then my 3000mg is finished. Ill get one of those liver supports you mentioned.

Why not add in proviron?

CHAPEL wrote: Why not add in proviron?

How big of a difference will it make?

Would rather save the money for next years proper cycle.

Bodyfat went up from 10% to 12% and weight stayed pretty much the same. I am saving up for a proper cycle, I just want to do this cycle to get back where I usually am, maybe a bit extra, before December [/quote]


why not just use some 3F and good diet ?

mike123 wrote: why not just use some 3F and good diet ?

I lost so much muscle in the past 3-4 weeks it is not even funny. Every part of my genetics is against me being big for some reason. I lose muscle so fast it is scary. With a bit of muscle memory and tbol's dry gains, I think it is a good time to use it now.

Stats?

I cannot see the logic in this approach to maintain muscle.

If you lost so much muscle in such a short amount of time your diet is up to shit, a tbol only cycle is a crap idea.

Age : 23
Weight: 76.5
Bodyfat: Around 12%
Height: 1.73

I think it feels like I lost a lot more than I actually did, and the definition that went away with the increased bodyfat makes it even worse.

I know that my diet is up to scratch. I do mostly solid meals, spread throughout the day, +-3500 cals a day.

Oupa wrote: I cannot see the logic in this approach to maintain muscle.

Not as much maintain as regain and add on a bit more before december . As I said in my previous post, I might mistake definition and vasculinity with actual muscle.

I am trying to figure out why you are losing muscle so fast. Your stats tell me you are not close to your genetic limit, so that tells me that you pick up a lot of intramuscular water. This means either your diet or your training is crappy. Or, you pick up a lot of intramuscular water from compounds like Creatine, Anapolon, D-Bol, T-Bol, etc.

It´s not possible to eat through muscle that quickly unless you eat no carbs for example, or if you just came off a cycle.

Pyroclasm wrote: I am trying to figure out why you are losing muscle so fast. Your stats tell me you are not close to your genetic limit, so that tells me that you pick up a lot of intramuscular water. This means either your diet or your training is crappy. Or, you pick up a lot of intramuscular water from compounds like Creatine, Anapolon, D-Bol, T-Bol, etc.

It´s not possible to eat through muscle that quickly unless you eat no carbs for example, or if you just came off a cycle.

Honestly I don't know either. You guys helped me design my diet on the site. I have a friend who is a personal trainer and he helps me a lot.

Only 2 reasons that might cause it is that overall I don't sleep enough and that over my vacation I probably drank a bit (code for waayy) too much, where I usually don't drink at all.

The thing is that all the men in my direct family are short(ish), semi fat and has cholesterol. There are no genetics in my family that even helps me a bit when it comes to building muscle and being big and strong :pinch:

I think you just answered your own question. Hint: It´s not genetics.

Pyroclasm wrote: I think you just answered your own question. Hint: It´s not genetics.

:whistle: :whistle:

Well lets hope I can end up weighing around 80kg with 10% bodyfat end November Working very hard, eating very clean and not having any alcohol

Girlfriend doesn't allow me to drink while I am on something :blush:

Ill do some sort of cycle log and report back with my stats/gains. Reason for tbol only is because it is mostly dry gains, so whatever I gain, is mine to keep.

Do you think I can do a 2 week clen cycle with my PCT?

I disagree. I think you'll keep very little of your gains from a tbol only cycle. And thinking you'll gain and keep over 5 lean kg is just ludicrous

Especially if u use clen in your PCT

tramacet wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I think you just answered your own question. Hint: It´s not genetics.

:whistle: :whistle:

Well lets hope I can end up weighing around 80kg with 10% bodyfat end November Working very hard, eating very clean and not having any alcohol

Girlfriend doesn't allow me to drink while I am on something :blush:

Ill do some sort of cycle log and report back with my stats/gains. Reason for tbol only is because it is mostly dry gains, so whatever I gain, is mine to keep.

Do you think I can do a 2 week clen cycle with my PCT?

You should keep most of it yes but you will gain 2kg not more. You can do Clen with PCT yes but don´t drop cals too much or you will lose your gains.

Do the tbol and let us know how it went ....

I know hitting 80 is next to impossible, but hey, I can dream :lol: