Advice on my cycle designed for my training buddy.

Hey Guys,
I just need your thoughts on this cycle for my gym buddy, that I train with, please. 
He's not keen to run my cycle, cause the dude can't deal with the EOD injection protocol. I have designed this cycle for him to run with me for 10 weeks... 

Stats: 
Age: 36 
Height: 178 
Weight: 93
BF: 15%

He has run a good couple of cycles before this. Diet is pretty much like mine, but a lot less carbs. 

Weeks 1 - 10 PGW Testocyp 250 - 750mg once a week. [3ml] 
Week 4 - PCT Anavar [40mg for 7 days. 60mg for 14 days. 80mg to PCT.]
Week 4 - PCT Proviron [40mg for 4 weeks and 60mg to PCT] 
[will probably look to add some Fat Furnace Fifteen to the last part of the cycle]

Bridge - 36 days. 
PCT - No3. 
PCT starts 2 days after last Anavar. 
He is prone to prolactin sides - so has all the necessary meds for that on hand.

Thanks in advance for any comments or advice, bro's. 

Prolactin sides ? that test should be twice a week otherwise 500 mg once a week ...I would Dbol frontload 25 days and save the Anavar for a bridge .....with a clean diet

PCT no 2 and letro as AI

Seems like he doesn't like injections at all. Pinning twice a week a problem ?

mike123 wrote: Prolactin sides ? that test should be twice a week otherwise 500 mg once a week ...I would Dbol frontload 25 days and save the Anavar for a bridge .....with a clean diet

PCT no 2 and letro as AI

Thank you Mike.

RE: Prolactin sides.. Yeah, will be none on this cycle right? > sorry my mistake bud. :blink:
So could we move the Var and Provision to start at say week 7 to PCT. [Will make it 6 weeks then.]
RE: Test twice a week.. Better for stable blood levels, right? So would you do 375mg twice a week, better?

Oupa wrote: Seems like he doesn't like injections at all. Pinning twice a week a problem ?

Yeah 0upa.. He's a big dude, but can be a big girl too! LOL!
Twice a week will be good Oupa.
I just like the Var and Proviron - but wanted to add a test as well.. To spice things up, don't want him lagging behind me!

Nothing wrong with Var/Prov/Test. Solid cycle. Have a look at Supertest replacing testcyp. Pin twice a week. Prop ester 4days so pin Monday morning and Thursday evening.

His results with Supertest @ 10 weeks will be much more impressive than with Test Cyp @ 10 weeks.

Oupa wrote: Nothing wrong with Var/Prov/Test. Solid cycle. Have a look at Supertest replacing testcyp. Pin twice a week. Prop ester 4days so pin Monday morning and Thursday evening.

Yeah Oupa, I thought about Supa test. I was thinking of something with a shorter bridge though. 54 days is long.. But Hmmm, thanks man, I think I can make it work. My reason for the shorter bridge is that a trip to Germany is happening in Dec, so will have to travel with Var and Proviron for the bridge.

So bro would you pin 480mg twice a week - Supatest 320 PGW?

The wait for Supertest is 28-30 days not 54 days that´s bull.

Yes no need for 54 days with PGW Supertest. Time Pyro sudgested is fine.

Also

No need for bridge if he is going to try taking gear aboard, especially to Germany. He will be locked up before he boards the plane lol

Pyroclasm wrote: The wait for Supertest is 28-30 days not 54 days that´s bull.

Thanks Pyro! Maybe admin will see this and make an amendment then. :lol:

Oupa wrote: Yes no need for 54 days with PGW Supertest. Time Pyro sudgested is fine.

Also

No need for bridge if he is going to try taking gear aboard, especially to Germany. He will be locked up before he boards the plane lol

LOL! No man, they just purple vits! Anything can get through JHB customs.. And he has a Swiss passport, so they won't stop the bugger! It's me they always pull aside!

And dose? Can he go up to 2ml [640] twice a week? That okay? Or more? :woohoo:

Would you front load with D-Bol Oupa?

RonTheSaveg wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: The wait for Supertest is 28-30 days not 54 days that´s bull.

Thanks Pyro! Maybe admin will see this and make an amendment then. :lol:

Admin knows about this bud we have spoken about it before.

If he is prone to Estrogen Gyno, no. Rather frontload with Tbol.

640mg Supertest per week is a solid foundation.

More is not always better.

Oupa wrote: If he is prone to Estrogen Gyno, no. Rather frontload with Tbol.

640mg Supertest per week is a solid foundation.

More is not always better.

Yeah, the dude is prone to Estrogen and Gyno, Oupa. So 640mg / week [1ml twice a week] it will be then. Cool, thanks for this bro! 
Okay, so will front load with T-Bol. My regular supplier doesn't keep this.. Is it scarce? Or named something else besides Tbol or Turinabol?

Yes that supertest dose is good to go. Ask your supplier to check for ( 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)

or Oral Turinabol / Turanaxyl / Turanabol / Turinadex / Turinabol / GP Turan / Turanaplex /Turanabol /Turanabolic.

If he doesn't have one of those, change supplier

Oupa wrote: Yes that supertest dose is good to go. Ask your supplier to check for ( 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)

or Oral Turinabol / Turanaxyl / Turanabol / Turinadex / Turinabol / GP Turan / Turanaplex /Turanabol /Turanabolic.

If he doesn't have one of those, change supplier

Nooooo Oupa, I couldn't do that! LOL! I'm sure they have it! I just can't find it!
Thanks for your time bro! You are always so helpful!

Oupa wrote: If he is prone to Estrogen Gyno, no. Rather frontload with Tbol.

Hey Oupa,

Just a quick one regarding the Tbol. He's gonna run at 40mg for 1 week, then up dosage to 60mg for three weeks. You approve bro?

Then, am I correct in saying active life of 16 Hours? So should the dosage be split? And is 1st think in the morning before workout okay?

Thank you in advance bro

Yes that's fine. If possible, 5 weeks tbol would be optimal.

Split morning / evening, when on 60mg split 40/20. 40 being +- 1hour before workout.

Be wary of injuries and don't go to heavy to soon.

Thanks Oupa..

Sorry bro, just one last thing > Should he run the Proviron from start up to PCT, or will it be just as good to run the proviron and Var from week 6 to PCT?

Proviron from day 1 is cool, but he needs +- 4 weeks gap from last tbol dosage to the first var dosage.

Example

Te4st cyp 1 - 10
Prov week 1 - 15 @40mg
Tbol week 1 - 5
Var 9 - 15

Bridge is Week 10 - 15

Perfect! Thanks so much Oupa!

My training bud went on your recommendation to run the PGW Supatest 320 bro. So that's what we got for for him. But I assume you mean Supatest 320 and not Test cyp right? Cause the 'bridge' part > week 10-15 would be for Supatest 320 correct? :blink:

Bro, can I ask you.. in the time between the bridge and PCT while on the var and proviron will your libido still be pretty decent? I know it crashes bad for a week or two as you start the PCT. As the levels drop to the PCT its a kinda gradual decline and then diminishes, am I right? I can never remember how libido is in the bridge period.

The longest ester in Supertest 320 is cyp. So the bridge time for supertest & cyp is basically the same. Anything from 30 - 35 days bridge will be perfect.

I worked in 5 weeks (7x5=35) because that will give you a good break between orals , Tbol and Var and the total time var is used will be effective.

Libido differs from person to person while on bridge, some have issues others don't.

This forum has very informative information when it gets to libido issues on bridge, so we can discuss this IF he has any issues closer to the time.

Question to you - Your bud is 36, why is he only doing 10 weeks test ?

Good day gents and happy holidays to you all.

I just need some help here please. My training buddy is in his bridge of PCT. He has developed some Gyno (hard lumps) just in the right side. Left side as well, but no lumps and not near as bad. Nipples are okay. Just lumps and soreness.

We are travelling in a group on a skiing trip in Europe. He has Arimidex tabs 1mg and is using HCG twice a week before PCT starts in Jan.

My question is, is the Arimidex correct for this and at what dossage? He has taken half of 1mg EOD. Should he up the dosage until it starts going away? He ran supa test 320 and Proviron throughout. Gyno was kept under control during cycle with 10 Adex drops EOD. He has had this before so not the first time. When he had it before it just went on its own.. He never used any meds. Just really silly to not use meds and was lucky IMO.

Hope that's enough info to help. Always appreciate!
Thank you guys!

If he has already developed breast tissue then the only thing that is going to help him is Letrozole. The longer he waits, the larger the lump will get. The bridge is the most common place to have gyno develop. While he waits for the Letro he should use the Arimidex at 1mg ED. Fair warning- he is battling gyno so he is supposed to feel like a donkey's ass, but it is far better than surgery. Strongs and we will support as much as we can!

Thank you Pyro.. And all the best for 2014!

He has used the Arimidex at 1mg ED and that has really helped a great deal. Thumbs up!
Will Start the Letro ASAP. When back in SA.
Thanks for the support bud!

Looking forward to good gains in 2014!

Be strong!