Help Needed - First Time Bulking

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14 Oct 2013 23:01 #153766 by FS
Hi Guys,

I have been gyming properly for 3 years and have now reached my peak.I would now like to take it to the next level and as I am new to all this,I need your expert advice/oppinions.

I have taken one of the sample cycles from this website for my first cycle:-

Cycle:
2x PGW Testocyp (250mg x 10ml)
2x LP Dianabol (10mg x 50)
1x Optional anti-estrogen (Arimidex or Letrozole)

PCT:
1x LP HCG 5000iu
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

My stats are as follows:-

Height:1,87m
Weight:85kg
Body Fat:14%
Age:44

My ultimate goal is to weigh 90kg - 95kg and be well toned (cut).I will follow a cutting cycle after bulking.

1.Is the above cycle a good start and how many times would I have to repeat this cycle to achieve my goal?
2.Do I need to add/replace any substance from the stack?
3.How long must I break between cycles?
4.Can I add a mild cutting substance to the stack?

Sorry for all the questions,but I want to get it right from the start...:)

Thanks in advance.

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15 Oct 2013 09:08 #153774 by mike123
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1.Perfect ...depends on your genes plus training and diet but on average more than 3 cycles
2.nope
3.Time on including Pct = time off or at least 3 months
4.U have 36 days to PCT so consider a winnie bridge / fat burner ?
U should get to at least 90kg with that cycle again gene dependant on what u keep ....
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15 Oct 2013 19:33 #153826 by Pyroclasm
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You are not even close to your peak bud not even with terrible genes. You can use AAS fine no problem, but you saying you think you have reached your peak tells me there is a problem with your diet or training, which is keeping you from making gains. Let's try and sort it out before you go on cycle so that we can maximize your growth potential. Post your diet and training bud.

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15 Oct 2013 21:01 #153829 by Oupa
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The guys is 44, give him some testosterone :evil:

FS, have you got any blood tests from the last 2 years or so ? Any medical conditions ?
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15 Oct 2013 21:14 #153831 by Muscleaddict
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44 is enough reason for a cycle as long as you know what you're doing in the gym and the kitchen.
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16 Oct 2013 07:38 #153839 by Bandit
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Oupa wrote: The guys is 44, give him some testosterone :evil:

FS, have you got any blood tests from the last 2 years or so ? Any medical conditions ?

high five

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16 Oct 2013 21:29 #153960 by FS
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Hi Guys,

My diet is as follows:-

1.Morning (6am)

Shake consisting of:-
1 x Scoop Protein Shake (Biogen)
1 x Teaspoon Cocoa Powder
1 x Banana
1/2 x Cup Pronutro Whole Wheat
1 x Cup Fat-free Milk
2 x Egg Whites

2.Mid-morning (10am)

1 x 150g Tub Low-fat Yoghurt with Fruit Salad (Apple,Paw-paw,Strawberries,Kiwi Fruit,Pineapple)
1 x Muffin

3.Lunch (12pm)

2 x Crackers with Low-fat Cheese or Cottage Cheese
2 x Crackers with Peanut Butter
2 x Provitas with Low-fat Cheese or Cottage Cheese
2 x Provitas with Peanut Butter
1 x Salad (Tomatoes,Carrot,Green Pepper,Avocado,Lettuce,Feta Cheese)

4.Mid-afternoon (2pm)

1 x Snacker Bar or Jungle Energy Bar
1/2 Cup Peanuts with Raisins

5.Pre-workout (4pm)

1 x Scoop Ultra Pump Nos (Biogen)
1 x Glass Water

6.Post-workout (5:30pm)

2 x Scoops Protein Shake (Biogen)
1 x Cup Fat-free Milk

7.Supper (7pm)

Skinless Chicken/Fish/Pasta/Steak
Potatoes/Peas/Rice/Corn/Gem Squash
1 x Salad (Tomatoes,Carrot,Green Pepper,Avocado,Lettuce,Feta Cheese)

8.Bedtime (10pm)

2 x Scoops Protein Shake (Biogen)
1 x Cup Fat-free Milk

My training is as follows:-

Day 1 - Biceps,Triceps plus Abs
Day 2 - Legs plus Abs
Day 3 - Back,Shoulders,Chest plus Abs

I drink as much water as possible during the whole day.

I dont have any medical conditions.The only time I have been to the doctor is for the common flu.Other than that,everything is still functioning perfectly... :)

As for blood tests,I have none as I have been medically fit.Not sure why you need to do blood tests.

I did ,however,do a Vitality Check through Discovery Health Medical Aid early this year,if this helps:-

1.Blood Pressure = 130/81
2.Cholesterol = 4.6

Cheers.

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17 Oct 2013 09:23 #153984 by Pyroclasm
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How many calories in the diet? Have you worked out your calorie requirements?
If not, Calorie Calculator .

For interest sake, did you get that diet from a dietician?

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17 Oct 2013 10:11 #153996 by FS
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I made the diet up myself.I will have to calculate the calories in the diet and compare it to my actual requirements.Thanks for the link..... :)

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17 Oct 2013 10:26 #153998 by mike123
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Have a look at the diet stickies boet ...yours has a lot of sugar = fat gain
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17 Oct 2013 12:01 - 17 Oct 2013 12:02 #154025 by Oupa
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While you sort out the diet, this is the cycle i would recommend.

LP Dbols - Week 1 - 4 @ 30mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Afternoon / Evening )
PGW Test Cyp - Week 1 - 12 @ 500mg PW. ( 1ml(250mg) Monday / 1ml(250mg) Thursday )
LP Proviron - Week 1 - 16 @ 40mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Evening )
LP Anavar - Week 10 - 16 @ 60mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Evening )

Bridge will include Proviron/Anavar/Clen
LP Clen - Week 10 - 16 ( taper 25mcg 3 days/50mcg 3 days/75mcg 3 days/100mcg max )
Remember 25mcg = 5 drops. So that's 10 drops for 50mcg, 15 drops for 75mch and 20 drops for 100mcg.

Best results for clen is first thing in the morning and then off to cardio. Keep your heart rate @ around 70% of the max.

Follow PCT 2 protocol.
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01 Nov 2013 12:20 #155563 by FS
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Hi Guys,

Ok,I have ordered my stuff and am waiting delivery,so hoping to start my first cycle soon!!... :)

Besides a good diet and training programme,what else should I do,or what advise can you give me, to prepare myself?

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01 Nov 2013 12:40 #155566 by mike123
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start some liver sups and vits ...enjoy the ride / cycle
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01 Nov 2013 14:37 #155590 by Oupa
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Enjoy the general "well-being" feeling. Make sure you get lots of sleep, rest well, and walk away from shit that upsets you.

Please inform your wife that she will in in for honeymoon days very soon...

As for the rest, good luck, shout if you need help.
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21 Jan 2014 18:36 #160051 by FS
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Hi Guys,

Need some help.

I am in my 5th week of the beginners bulking cycle.Everything has been going very well until 2 days ago.

I am feeling very hot abd sweatie,my muscles are aching,my breathing tempo has increased,I break out in a cold shiver now and then,and I have a slight headache.

Is this steroids related (side effects) or just something that i have picked up?

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21 Jan 2014 18:42 #160053 by Pyroclasm
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Normally at the start of a cycle one can get test flu (where your body responds to the AAS and tries to fight it. Similar to an allergy). At week 5, go to the doctor chances are great you have real flu (and not test flu) or something similar. Do not exercise until you have the all clear from the doctor.

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22 Jan 2014 17:06 #160103 by FS
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Ok,been to the doctor and gave me anti-biotic and voltaren injection (eina).So hopefully i will be back in the gym soon... :)

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22 Jan 2014 18:19 #160112 by Pyroclasm
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What did he say?

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22 Jan 2014 20:59 #160147 by FS
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He said I had Bacterial Sinusitis.

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22 Jan 2014 22:33 #160163 by Pyroclasm
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Doctors are prescribing antibiotics for anything these days. Anyways, hope you feel better bud and next time be sure to get a cortisone injection fpr these type of things.

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22 Jan 2014 22:58 #160165 by FS
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Ok,will do.

Can I still continue taking my test as normal?

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23 Jan 2014 09:03 #160183 by Pyroclasm
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Sure thing

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