Another newbie thread

Hi guys,

First off congratulations on a great forum. I've been reading threads for the last few months and can comfortably say I've learnt quite a bit. The emphasis placed on cycle safety and proper diet and PCT use has made a newbie like me feel quite at ease asking for advice.

Now I understand it must be quite a tedious task answering all the the questions and queries of every single newbie who posts on this topic and yes I've read and understood the basics and I've read the sticky at the top as well, but I feel this is such an opportunity to grow my knowledge and make sure I'm doing it correctly that I can't help but ask.

With regards to background, I'm a noob. I was always too nervous to pin and resorted to orals simply because they were "easier to take". I knew the danger orals posed to my liver, but I was ignorant. So I've decided to run a proper cycle as of next year. I ran LP tbol for 8weeks previously. I liked that it helped in lean mass gain and got a bit of a kick out of the whole East German doping story. I ran Clomid and Nolvadex as my PCT. I found tbol helped me gain about 3-4 kgs and it upped my strength as well.

This time I want to run a lean muscle cycle.
Stats are as follows:
Age: 22
Height: 191cm
Weight: 104kg
Body fat: 11.3%
5 years of lifting experience

I'd realistically like to weigh 108 while dropping my body fat to 8/9%.
From reading the basics only I would probably have run TrenE with TestE and Tbol? I'm new to this game and this forum is a really great guide.

What cycle do you think I should run appropriate to my goals and what should my PCT look like afterwards?

Thanks for your time guys. I really appreciate it.

Regards,
G

Welcome and forget the Tren that is for the very experianced ...go back to the top and read the basic cycles topic and choose from there.. it will explain the PCT protocol
which basically u will add HCG to the clomid and nolva... shot

hey gaz,my opinion will differ from 99%,but as i understand tren is not ideal for a beginner.

if i were you i would run a simple test cycle.4kg is not a huge ask,with a good clean diet you will get there and drop bf.maybe look at winnie for bridge up to pct,but keep your stack simple.no need to put so much stress on the body for 4kg.
pct-clomid, nolvadex, hcg/cabaser when you go tren route.
again its my opinion.
goodluck and be sure to get the perfect advice from the gurus.

Never run Tren E if you haven't got experience from Tren A.

Thanks Mike and Fred for the prompt replies and info. Already greatful as I would have made the mistake of running tren when I shouldn't.

I looked at the sample cycles, more specifically the intermediate lean mass cycle. It looks awesome and I would love to run it! But the 8x primobolon I simply cannot afford. I don't want to sound cheap as I believe you shouldn't spare too much expense when running gear. Is there any cycle you could suggest that is a little more practical on my pocket.

G

boet honestly this is your first cycle,you will grow on test alone.

get dbol or tbol as a frontload untill the test kicks in.not many can afford primo anyway.

you can always look to ad more gear when you want to do future cycles,mike showed you the way,take the advice and start from step one.

like i said do a test cycle only ,thats more than enough and you will be very pleased with what you get from it.

U can use test cyp / E... frontload with Tbol / Dbol.. Bridge with Winny ...its all about Diet to keep the gains lean ....

mike123 wrote: U can use test cyp / E... frontload with Tbol / Dbol.. Bridge with Winny ...its all about Diet to keep the gains lean ....

^^^ there you go,simple but very effective...i guess equipoise will be a great substitute to primo if you realy want to ad more stuff.

Awesome. Thanks guys. Will start with that cycle Mike.

Week 1-4 40-60mg tbol ED
Week 1-8 600mg Test E per week
Week 9-12 30mg Winni ED

Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG sound good as a PCT?

Am I on the right track?

Week 1 - 5 Tbol @ 60mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Evening )
Week 1 - 12 Test Cyp 500mg pw ( pin Monday 1ml & Thursday 1 ml )
Week 1 - 16 Proviron @ 40mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Evening )
Bridge Week 11 - 16 Winny @ 40mg ED ( Split dose Morning / Afternoon / Evening )

PCT 2

Liver sups from day 1 and remember joint support for the winnies.

Great advice from the gurus! Thanks oupa! I'll be sure to report back.

Cheers guys

Would I be able to run 20-30mg of superdrol instead of tbol?

Trying to makes this happen with my student budget isn't easy. Don't want to cut corners when it comes to proviron, PCT and liver and joint support.

Thanks guys

Alright bro. Dbol is cheap if your on a budget
1-4weeks 40-50mg aday split does

Gaz wrote: Would I be able to run 20-30mg of superdrol instead of tbol?

Trying to makes this happen with my student budget isn't easy. Don't want to cut corners when it comes to proviron, PCT and liver and joint support.

Thanks guys

D-Bol Supertest is the best bang for buck cycle of AAS i.m.o.