second cycle

Hi Guys
I have a cycle in mind that I would like to start in about 6 weeks +-:

Weeks 1 - 10 PGW Test Cyp 500mg (250mg x 2 Sun & Wed)
Weeks 1 - 10 PGW & Axio Deca 500mg (250mg x 2 Sun & Wed)
Weeks 11 - 14 PGW Test Prop 450mg (150mg M/W/F)
Weeks 11 - 14 PGW Tren Ace 80mg (E2D)
Weeks 11 - 14 BD Dbol 40mg (ED)
Week 1 - 14 Arimadex (0.25 - 0.5 ED)
Week 1 - 14 Caber (0.5 EW) *if I can get*

Afterwards I will drop back down to 100mg PW of Test Cyp for TRT levels and begin use of HCG, Clomid and Nolva.

Just some questions I have, that I would really appreciate the help on:

Is my test levels during the switch to shorter acting levels too high for the Tren?
I want to keep Tren low at 80mg first and if I respond well I may increase it slightly but I'll have to wait and see.

And is my 'pct' fine for coming down to cruising levels for a good couple of weeks?

Boet boet boet ...let me be the first to tell u Deca and Tren together AINA..why Dbol at the end of the cycle ...the guys are going to tune u with that cycle ...ok I see u doing it on differant weeks but the Deca will still be in your system.....
Why not cyp and deca as a cycle then prop and tren in a seperate cycle..

100mg Cyp per week is about what you would be able to produce naturally. HRT dose is 200-250mg Test-Cyp or Test-En per week. What´s the point of PCT drugs if you don´t come off the AAS?

mike123 wrote: Boet boet boet ...let me be the first to tell u Deca and Tren together AINA..why Dbol at the end of the cycle ...the guys are going to tune u with that cycle ...ok I see u doing it on differant weeks but the Deca will still be in your system.....
Why not cyp and deca as a cycle then prop and tren in a seperate cycle..

Thanks Mike

I am keen on running a Cyp and Deca cycle no problem, I was thinking along the lines of switching to shorter acting esters near the end most similar to the long compounds I was using but I have no problem just using Cyp & Deca for 12 weeks then coming off.

Prop and Tren as another cycle all together sounds great as I've seen quite a lot of blitz cycles made up of those two compounds, but I'll leave that for another time then.

Pyroclasm wrote: 100mg Cyp per week is about what you would be able to produce naturally. HRT dose is 200-250mg Test-Cyp or Test-En per week. What´s the point of PCT drugs if you don´t come off the AAS?

True 200 - 250mg is what I am using now on my current cruise for the next good couple of weeks till my blood tests start to improve. With PCT I understand that it has its pro's and con's and everyone has a different opinion of them but for me personally, even if I will be using TRT doses for periods between blast cycle, bringing any side effects down during off periods makes sense. I understand my blood work will never be perfect wanting to stay on for an indefinite period of time but throwing in some form of 'signal' to my HPTA axis to wake it up a little bit seems that I want be shut down absolutely completely. I mean if I am going to be cruising its a period of stress relief so I would want to make it as beneficial to my system as possible

Again this is just what I presume and why I am asking for help and advice as I having been reading and asking questions to other people trying to find the best possible way to move forward in the B & C style. I've been finding a lot of stuff on Dante Trudel approach which is quite extreme but he makes some points haha!

Ok my other post was wiped...I was going to say use the prop as a bridge with the daca and test 10 weeks deca 12 weeks test then prop ....
As for this cruise and blast and PCT when u are on u are shut down when u are cruising u are shut down ..if u are going to PCT then back on u will stay shut down u need at least 3 months to recover properly unless u do short esters for 8 weeks time off will be less..
Even if u do time on = time off after a while your system is going to say f*ck this and stay shut down then the only option is TRT....

Hi Mike thanks for the response

In terms of the Prop it would be advised to run a bridge of it for 4 weeks before returning back to down to my cruising doses?
That give me close to 6 weeks since the last deca shot

4 weeks or 6 weeks if u not going to come off and cruise it wouldnt make a differance .....
but that is not being responsible boet...

What time frame are you planning this C&B ?

Have you ever considered peptides after your cycles?

Diluted56 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: 100mg Cyp per week is about what you would be able to produce naturally. HRT dose is 200-250mg Test-Cyp or Test-En per week. What´s the point of PCT drugs if you don´t come off the AAS?

True 200 - 250mg is what I am using now on my current cruise for the next good couple of weeks till my blood tests start to improve. With PCT I understand that it has its pro's and con's and everyone has a different opinion of them but for me personally, even if I will be using TRT doses for periods between blast cycle, bringing any side effects down during off periods makes sense. I understand my blood work will never be perfect wanting to stay on for an indefinite period of time but throwing in some form of 'signal' to my HPTA axis to wake it up a little bit seems that I want be shut down absolutely completely. I mean if I am going to be cruising its a period of stress relief so I would want to make it as beneficial to my system as possible

Again this is just what I presume and why I am asking for help and advice as I having been reading and asking questions to other people trying to find the best possible way to move forward in the B & C style. I've been finding a lot of stuff on Dante Trudel approach which is quite extreme but he makes some points haha!

Any exogenous Testosterone dose exceeding a ball park figure of 100mg pure test per week is going to shut you down completely. In essence, your nuts see no need to produce test above the crazy amount you already have. Now, if you are only shut down for a small period of time, your nuts are easy to 'awaken'. Then the longer you stay on, it becomes much harder for your HPTA to wake up. I like to compare it to being in a long distance relationship. You don't see the girl for 3 months then a dinner and a movie and you are in there. Then don't see your doll for 3 years and you are going to have to romance the crap out of her! And some of the times, doesn't matter what you do or how many red roses you send, that doll has moved on. In terms of PCT, if you do a PCT with test levels above 100mg then there is a good chance your pct will fail completely i.e your nadz woke up for a second, saw they aren't needed, and went back to sleep. Right back where you were before your PCT. Case and point your honor, whether you do 200mg test per week or 1000mg test per week, your HPTA is shut down all the same. So don't think of cruising times as any better on your system than blasting times.

Thanks for the response guys

I've really thought about it a lot but I will be blasting and cruising from now on.

I'm going to be running just the Test Cyp (Pgw) and Deca (I got axio and organon)for 12 weeks and deca for 10. I will leave the shorter acting esters for later on. I'm actually getting some Sustanon from Australia from an uncle who trains with a pro-bodybuilder there. So I have been bouncing ideas back and forth with them over there. But having sat down through a host of other forums and asking questions, reading and just formulating an approach. Either way with how low my test levels were before I even took my first shot I know I would have needed to go down the TRT route anyways. So for me that is not an issue and something I am comfortable with. I am in now ways throwing caution to the wind and going in guns blazing but I will be crusing for extended peroids and doing what I need to do based on blood works to lower any side's as fast as possible.