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31 Oct 2013 19:54 - 31 Oct 2013 19:57 #155510 by 6+6+6
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What is your suggestions for a strength cycle.
1: gains in hypertrophy is not important, and in fact, will move me up to a heavy weight class. Which is not desirable.
2: obviously the main objective here is to increase strength.
3: if it assists with helping out old overuse injuries, that's a huge bonus!
4: I would prefer not to use to many different compounds, the simpler the better!
5: I still need to be able to do endurance training.

I was thinking something like test cyp, or enanthate with masteron. Or even primobolon.
That's 2 compounds, nice and easy. 500-600mg test is supposed to be the sweet spot, and masteron and primo both need high amounts. But can I keep the doses relatively low. Say, 300mg cyp weekly + 500/600 masteron weekly.
Ovitrelle from around week 5 until pct I suppose.
Arimidex for incase or letrozole?

Stats:
I'd prefer not to say what sport.
84kg
10.8% body fat ( 7 site & 10 site test with calipers )
Diet: really good! No really, it is!
DeadLift 10RM 195kg
Back squat: 3RM 165kg (all the way down, none of that half squat shit)
Train 6 days a week.

I'd really appreciate some good solid advice.
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31 Oct 2013 21:30 #155520 by Thunderbeast
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Have heard good things about halotestin. Maybe look into that.

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01 Nov 2013 10:38 #155547 by IronHeart
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Halo is harsh stuff!

I would go with something like, Test prop, tren ace and anavar.
All of them makes you lean.
I did a cycle like that when I still competed in strongman, it was AMAZING!!

As for your sport it doesnt sound like powerlifting because your not giving your 1rm so whatever it is just make sure that if they test you the esters have cleared.
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01 Nov 2013 11:09 - 01 Nov 2013 11:10 #155550 by 6+6+6
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Copy paste from drug profile:
Halo - " Halotestin is likely one of the most toxic oral steroids "
Primo - " Primobolan is a very safe steroid" " if there is ever a perfect steroid manufactured this would be it. "

I don't doubt you thunderbeast, but is it worth it? I do like my liver nice and healthy, but thank you for your input!

Trarex- what dosage did you use? Sounds interesting, I'll do more research on those compounds now!
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01 Nov 2013 11:16 #155551 by Oupa
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Whats your cycle history 666 ?

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01 Nov 2013 11:39 #155555 by Muscleaddict
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DeadLift 10 reps 195kg at 84KG. That's crazy strong for your body weight. How heavy do you go up to?

Halo you can run for 2 weeks at only 20mg and get crazy strength gains. You'll feel it faster than any other steroid. Within a few days, boom, beast mode on. Many feel it on the first day if if it's a good product.

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01 Nov 2013 11:43 #155558 by IronHeart
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Uhm that was long ago.

But I know the anavar was 3 tabs a day 30mg, prop was about 800mg per week and the tren was tren ace about 320mg.

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01 Nov 2013 17:39 #155614 by 6+6+6
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Oupa - a while ago, turinabol @ 60mg ED for 5 weeks or so + ovitrelle thrown in there and nolvadex pct. I think that's what it was. yes I know you don't have to tell me how stupid that was! That's what happens when you have the wrong people telling you what to do. And that's why I'm here, for decent advice!

I was looking into peptides, ipamorelin and cjc 1295 w/d but then my supplier decided not to sell that anymore. Now I've decided to do the proper stuff!!

MA- thanks bro, yeah 1RM is not great in comparison, for some reason the first lift is the hardest one for me. I'll go up to 225 for 1.

So halo you do for 2 weeks only? Will the strength gains stay or does it all disappear after the 2 weeks? I want to do this cycle properly! 100%

I think test and masteron or primo still sounds good. Tren sounds harsh as well. But I'm not ruling anything out.

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01 Nov 2013 17:52 #155615 by Oupa
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I cycled Test/Primo/Masteron recently and the STRENGTH gains was okish.. Tren A/Test P/Masteron Prop is pretty insane but not recommended for beginners.

End of the day its your call and your minds seems set. 19nor/Test/DHT is always your best best.

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01 Nov 2013 19:21 #155619 by 6+6+6
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Thank you for the advice oupa. If I may ask, what dosing protocol did you follow with the test/primo/masteron cycle?
So just to clarify then, what would you recommend for the beginner , still 19nor/test/DHT ? Just a lower dose, or something els perhaps?

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02 Nov 2013 08:54 #155624 by 6+6+6
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Does anybody els have any suggestions? Anyone els tried a test/masteron/primo stack?

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02 Nov 2013 08:57 - 02 Nov 2013 08:57 #155625 by Oupa
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I run my cycles dosing slightly different but basically it came to - 600mg Primo pw / Test E / 600mg pw / Masteron 450mg pw. Split into 2 pins. I was planning on andding Deca, but then changed over to short esters and added Tren/Prop for the last remnaining 6 weeks.
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02 Nov 2013 10:41 #155628 by Rhino
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Face it this only really your first cycle so I wouldn't complicate things and use a load of different compounds that you have no idea how your going to react to.
Keep it simple (test and var) and your results will be just as impressive and if you don't want to pick up to much weight just keep your cals at maintenance.

Go big or go home...
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02 Nov 2013 11:34 #155633 by Oupa
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tbol front-load with test base and var bridge would be a good start.

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02 Nov 2013 11:47 - 02 Nov 2013 11:57 #155635 by 6+6+6
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Thanks oupa, yeah the tbol front load and var bridge makes it exactly as the 'intermediate lean mass and strength' cycle on the downloads drop down. I was going to do that, but then had the exact thought as rhino, it's the first real cycle, so I don't want to complicate things. Perhaps testocyp 250 @1ml/week and primo 200 @ 3ml/week with a Var bridge @ 40/50mg ed for 5/6weeks ???
I thought about test & Var only stack, but I've read in a few places it's not really that great.
Rhino- have you done a test & var only stack?
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02 Nov 2013 11:53 #155637 by CHAPEL
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Just load up on the EFA's. Var can nail your joints which isn't nice when doing heavy lifts.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.
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02 Nov 2013 13:09 #155642 by Rhino
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CHAPEL wrote: Just load up on the EFA's. Var can nail your joints which isn't nice when doing heavy lifts.


Funny that because I have problem joins and I've been on 80mg a day for 7 weeks with no issues.
I suppose we are all different.

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02 Nov 2013 13:11 #155643 by 6+6+6
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Rhino - what are you stacking with Var?

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02 Nov 2013 13:22 #155644 by Rhino
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Just Var and Test at the moment.

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02 Nov 2013 13:42 - 02 Nov 2013 13:44 #155645 by Muscleaddict
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Rhino wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: Just load up on the EFA's. Var can nail your joints which isn't nice when doing heavy lifts.


Funny that because I have problem joins and I've been on 80mg a day for 7 weeks with no issues.
I suppose we are all different.


Yea I've never had any joint issues on var but Winny even at 30mg becomes too much for me because of the pain but some people do complain. I wouldn't surprised if people aren't sold winny labelled as var because its way cheaper. Anavar is supposed to strengthen your joints because it boosts collagen synthesis. If you have an injured tendon and take anavar and rest it will heal faster.
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02 Nov 2013 13:59 #155647 by CHAPEL
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Rhino wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: Just load up on the EFA's. Var can nail your joints which isn't nice when doing heavy lifts.


Funny that because I have problem joins and I've been on 80mg a day for 7 weeks with no issues.
I suppose we are all different.


I don't get it either. But people do.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.

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02 Nov 2013 14:03 - 02 Nov 2013 14:04 #155648 by CHAPEL
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Muscleaddict wrote:

Rhino wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: Just load up on the EFA's. Var can nail your joints which isn't nice when doing heavy lifts.


Funny that because I have problem joins and I've been on 80mg a day for 7 weeks with no issues.
I suppose we are all different.


Yea I've never had any joint issues on var but Winny even at 30mg becomes too much for me because of the pain but some people do complain. I wouldn't surprised if people aren't sold winny labelled as var because its way cheaper. Anavar is supposed to strengthen your joints because it boosts collagen synthesis. If you have an injured tendon and take anavar and rest it will heal faster.


I don't know about that, I ran LP var at the same time as a friend of mine and he had to start taking out things like skull crushers and shoulder press because it was stuffing his joints up, I had no issues. I'm not saying that var doesn't repair tendons etc, although I noticed no difference in my injury while on it, but I know it has affected more than one of my friends, another one is a golfer, he had to cut the var out eventually.

Anyway, drifting off topic.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.
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02 Nov 2013 15:01 #155652 by Muscleaddict
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CHAPEL wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: I don't know about that, I ran LP var at the same time as a friend of mine and he had to start taking out things like skull crushers and shoulder press because it was stuffing his joints up, I had no issues. I'm not saying that var doesn't repair tendons etc, although I noticed no difference in my injury while on it, but I know it has affected more than one of my friends, another one is a golfer, he had to cut the var out eventually.

Anyway, drifting off topic.


No, it's good to know. Shot.

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02 Nov 2013 19:21 #155664 by 6+6+6
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Rhino, how's that cycle treating you? What doses are you using?

So back to the strength cycle, what have we established?

Guys, I just want a solid cycle that will work well to increase strength, so I can get my training to another level, as right now I'm not Getting anywhere but perhaps backwards. I also have a shit load of injuries, so if var helps with that, then that sounds good!

I've trained my ass off for 7 years and done well! But now the progression has stopped.

Cycle Recommendations please!! ??

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02 Nov 2013 20:15 #155669 by Oupa
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Post a photo, lets see the 7 years boet :)

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