Strength cycle

Let's say you happened to walk past a world champion weightlifter for example, most people wouldn't even think he trained much, even though he squats 250 with ease. Point is, my goals are different to most on this website, I'm not huge. I train for strength not size, so I don't think the photo will help.

When I did powerlifting the guys I trained with loved test suspension, tren ace, prop, anapolon and var.

Naps will bump your weight up unfortunately, well most things will. You could do prop and superdrol?

Prop could be good because it's out the system faster than cyp or E. But pinning ED is not ideal. Not a bad idea though.
I'm thinking perhaps keep it simple as simple gets: test cyp 14 weeks, perhaps a Var bridge for 40 days. Pct 2 but ovitrelle instead of hcg
Adex/letrozole on hand. Everything PGW and LP

If one did cyp for 8 weeks, could you then swap to prop for another 4-6 weeks?

Yes , that's what i do when i don't bridge. Long ester to short and 14 days wait before pct.

Alright then.
# testocyp 250 @ 300mg per week for 8 weeks
# Prop 100 @ 70mg EOD for 4 weeks
# Anavar 20 @ 40mg ED for 17 days then 60mg for 22 days (39 days) finishing 12 days after last prop pin,
# Pct 2 starting 2 days after last Day of Var and 14 days after last prop pin

Please tell me if this is shit! So I can fix it.

Also, is letrozole or adex better to keep near by?
My understanding is letrozole is the one to use if you have Gyno, but which is better to prevent it?

6+6+6 wrote: Copy paste from drug profile:
Halo - " Halotestin is likely one of the most toxic oral steroids "
Primo - " Primobolan is a very safe steroid" " if there is ever a perfect steroid manufactured this would be it. "

I don't doubt you thunderbeast, but is it worth it? I do like my liver nice and healthy, but thank you for your input!

Trarex- what dosage did you use? Sounds interesting, I'll do more research on those compounds now!

No offence taken, you came here asking about a strength cycle... and i told you what was on my mind.

Liver damage is somewhat over rated in my books, the liver is one resilient organ and it basically replaces itself every 5 months. (Unless you have pre-existing issues)

Im pretty sure a little halo never killed anyone, prop/anavar cycles are really nice, but dont do much for my strength.

If I was seriously prepping for a strength type event, I would consider halo/tren-A/Superdrol/supertest as my compounds.

But after reading through this thread, I get the impression that such strong compounds are not needed for your goals.

Why do you want do do such a short cycle, looking at your proposed dosages, it looks like something is holding you back.

Thunderbeast wrote: If I was seriously prepping for a strength type event, I would consider halo/tren-A/Superdrol/supertest as my compounds.

Lol

Dude, all I'm trying to do is find out the best way to go about this cycle with out fucking up! Every steroid forum on the net has the same thing, advanced users ripping on noobs for doing things they should never have done. I've read in a many places that for a first time user a test only cycle is sufficient for good results, or if you really want to, use a kicker or bridge, but keep it simple.
So I have that in my head.
Then there's the "help Gyno problem" threads that make me want to make sure I know what to do before I do it.
I also don't want to do unnecessary compounds, if I'll get what I'm looking for with a simple stack then why over do things?
And mostly because I'm not looking to build muscle, so I have the idea that large amounts AAS won't be necessary for my goal.

Yeah I'm sure halo/tren A/ superdrol/super test is strong as fuck! But in all honesty would you run that stack as your first cycle???

I'm here to learn, that's why I posted this thread and the "your first cycle" thread. So I can see how others messed up and then don't do the same. If you don't ask you'll never know.

I know cyclists run test at a max of 150mg, that's enough to increase RBC count and recovery, my point is: everybody's goals are different, so why would we all use the same doses. I don't want to gain muscle! I simply want to get stronger and recover faster, so I'm worried a to large dose will lead to to much weight gain.

That cycle is 12 weeks, shorter cycle for shorter recovery period.

6+6+6 wrote: Yeah I'm sure halo/tren A/ superdrol/super test is strong as fuck! But in all honesty would you run that stack as your first cycle???

No fucking ways your liver and kidneys will look like swiss cheese!

I'm here to learn, that's why I posted this thread and the "your first cycle" thread. So I can see how others messed up and then don't do the same. If you don't ask you'll never know.

Exactly!

Ok, just to set the record straight, i did not say you should stack all the compounds i mentioned, just that those are the ones you should look at. :silly:

you should understand that I'm a strongman competitor, so I guess the strength you are talking about and the strength I am talking about is not completely the same, I mean when I saw your lifts were decent, I thought you where very serious to get strong.

I think I miss-read your cycle, first time. But you should number the weeks to make things more clear. because I'm sure, to some it looks like 4 different cycles you are proposing.

That cycle looks good, but the way you dose it is awkward...
I would have just done 9 weeks of test prop straight 100mg EOD with pct 1 or 2.

If I was feeling stout I would even consider 6 weeks testprop at 100mg EOD and 20mg Halo frontload for 25 days. :evil:

Funny, we never got your age?

Pyroclasm wrote:

6+6+6 wrote: Yeah I'm sure halo/tren A/ superdrol/super test is strong as fuck! But in all honesty would you run that stack as your first cycle???

No fucking ways your liver and kidneys will look like swiss cheese!

I'm here to learn, that's why I posted this thread and the "your first cycle" thread. So I can see how others messed up and then don't do the same. If you don't ask you'll never know.

Exactly!

So here is a topic for debate, Which liver is better suited for those harsh compounds, a nice fresh 21 year old or that of a person who has been doing cycles for 10 years?

Agree with your liver comment TB ...what nie dood maak nie maak sterk ..its the same as going to gym and abusing your muscle ..comes back stronger ...key is to monitor and now when u are overdoing it ....and taking precautions like liver sups ect ect

6+ check the Anavar cycle on the sight ?

Age is 24.

TB - why do you drop the prop from 9 to 6 weeks with the inclusion of Halo?
So would 9 weeks prop be better than cyp + Var?
Yeah sorry bud, I'm no expert is designing cycles, please bear with me.

Yeah mike, I've read through the cycles on the site countless times. I'm not keen for an oral only cycle, if it's the Var + proviron cycle you're talking about? as my understanding is test is the way to go. I'd like to do things right this time round.

I'm still going to recommend prop and superdrol.. Go forth and get poes strong. Just maintain calories at maintenance to avoid excessive weight gain. PCT 2, letro on hand, essentiale throughout cycle.

PS - For all the nitpickers, gains won't be excessive on prop and sdrol, but by going at maintenance or just over you will keep them down as much as possible thereby remaining in your weight category.. I don't know what sport you are doing, did you mention it? But in powerlifting you train heavier than competitive weight anyway so I don't see the issue with a little weight gain, unless you are a fighter in which case then ya keep it down.

I agree with Chapel that if you want max strength then superdrol is the steroid of choice (with the less weight gain than dbol or adrol) and stack with prop. Just keep you dose at 20mg. I have used superdrol many times and I find 30mg is just a way to get crap side effects with very little benefit over 20mg. But you need to be strict with your diet and keep your sodium down or you will gain a lot of extra water weight. Superdrol causes quite a dramatic increase in glycogen storage so you will gain mass even on a slight caloric deficit.

Be prepared for gyno or even gyno post cycle with superdrol.

Eish!! Are you saying Gyno will happen or is a strong possibility?
How would I run prop and superdrol then? With keeping the Gyno possibility to a minimum!
Prop @ 70 or 100mg EOD for 9 weeks??
Superdrol @ 20mg ED for 4 weeks? As a kicker

Prop at 100-150mg EOD for 7-9 weeks. 8 is fine.
superdrol at 20mg ED for 1-4 weeks. You can start on the sdrol at 10mg for the first few days.

Superdrol is known for its post cycle gyno, it is by no means a definite.

CHAPEL wrote: Go forth and get poes strong.

Hahahaha! Yeah that's the plan.

Do yourself a favour and just put Superdrol Gyno into a google search and you will get an idea of what I mean. It's very common but not everybody gets gyno on it. Superdrol can raise prolactin so you might need cabaser to neutralise the gyno, along with letro for best results. Letro in most cases is enough if you catch it very early.

Prop at 100mg EOD is the lowest I'd recommend for a first cyclr. Rather up the dose a little and make it 8 weeks.

Superdrol I would do 10mg the first week and then bump to 20mg. Starting straight off at 20mg often makes you feel instantly lethargic and a bit kak, and you might feel a bit fluish. It's a potent oral and I find starting on 10mg lets my body adjust better. After a week at 10mg I'm already quite a bit stronger.

Keep water intake high as well.

I've decided to give Sdrol a miss this time. I'm just not convinced that the awesomeness of Sdrol is worth the Bitch of Sdrol. (No pun intended)
I'll opt for an 8 week test Prop @ 100 mg EOD + 40 days 0f Anavar.

If my Maths is correct, 3 vials (10ml each) will get you 30 pins, so it's 8.4 weeks, nice and easy.
2 packs of Var will get 20 days @40mg & 20 days @60mg, nice and easy.

I want to get blood work done before, and 6 weeks after pct. Is there anything specific I should make sure they test for?
Testosterone, prolactin, cholesterol ......what els?

Keep in mind EOD injects is not cool for a first timer ....I would go with Dbol / Tbol and Cyp anavar bridge...U can get away with once a week injects and keep the diet at maintenance ... Prop for a second cycle ...keep in mind The guys giving advise are experianced and dont suffer from virgin muscle .....your choice at the end of the day .

6+6+6 wrote: I've decided to give Sdrol a miss this time. I'm just not convinced that the awesomeness of Sdrol is worth the Bitch of Sdrol. (No pun intended)
I'll opt for an 8 week test Prop @ 100 mg EOD + 40 days 0f Anavar.

If my Maths is correct, 3 vials (10ml each) will get you 30 pins, so it's 8.4 weeks, nice and easy.
2 packs of Var will get 20 days @40mg & 20 days @60mg, nice and easy.

I want to get blood work done before, and 6 weeks after pct. Is there anything specific I should make sure they test for?
Testosterone, prolactin, cholesterol ......what els?

This was basically my first cycle, if I could do it over again I would bumb 150mg EOD
but it really is not needed. I made good gains from this cycle.

Have you tried Epo