SHORT CYCLES

Ok so next year Im going to play around with short cycles to prevent sides associated with longer cycles. I would like to do 3-4 four week cycles next year. The First Cycle I will be trying is this ->

1-4 Test prop 150mg EOD = 525mg EW
2-6 Var 80mg
1-6 HCG 600ui

I'm a bit confused about what I should do for PCT. I would like to keep PCT as short as possible so I can start my next cycle sooner. Would 1 week clomid suffice? Keep in mind ill be running hcg throughout the cycle and that its a really short cycle with no extremely suppressive compounds. After PCT Ill take a 6 week break and jump back on another short cycle.

I would like to add tren at a lowish dose but ill think about doing that later next year, for eg.

1-4 Test prop 150mg EOD = 525mg EW
1-4 tren ace 80mg EOD = 280mg EW
2-6 Var 80mg
1-6 HCG 600ui

Very scared of tren so that cycle is only a maybe, id like to atleast try it just to see how my body reacts tho.

Any input is welcome, Thanks!

My current cycle is Prop + Tren, results are fckn good. I think your short cycles is a kakish idea to be honest. Prop 100mg EOD and start tren off at 80mg EOD. Once the sides are manageable, up your dosage to 100mg - 120 mg EOD. Your next tren cycle you can push it a little more. Minimum 6 - 8 week cycle. You can use the var from day 1 up 2 pct.

Haha! How is it a kak idea?I Don't want to be covered in acne, so it's a bad idea? You know how prone I am. I have read a lot about short cycles and the benefits and I like what I hear/read. I am considering the tren thanks!

Read this. musclemecca.com/threads/188233-Short-Cyc...ood-gains-less-sides

With short cycles you can do them more frequently because they are so short, so less time off. Less time on aswell but you don't have long waiting periods between cycles then.


What are your thoughts on pct with such a cycle?

Quote from the article: "My natural test production is quite good for a man of 40, at 550. I tested my test level a week after I stopped a 14 day cycle and it had rebonded to 650 from the immediate pre cycle 550. On day 15 it was down to 54!"

His test levels were that high because there was still test prop in his system not yet released from the ester. Then like we know to wait 14 days for the prop to clear, on the 15th day his test levels were low.

My opinion on short cycles is that the reason why you don't experience many side effects is because the plasma concentration levels of the steroids are not high. This is the exact equivalent of just running low doses of everything.

He says orals are much better for your liver on these shorter cycles. KAK man! I bet you anything he moers 80-100mg D-Bol per day during those 4 weeks. If you gave me two choices, one is to take 40mg D-Bol for 6 weeks, or 60mg D-Bol for 4 weeks, the first option is much better for the liver. Why? The liver is extremely self-regenerative. So if you want to hurt something like that you have to hit it hard and quick, not slow and soft.

Eish brother I sense the bro science is strong with him. It also comes from an article from steroidology.com, a dark place to go for advice trust me.

Hey pyro, I get what your saying and I do agree but I'm NOT willing to get acne again, you don't understand how kak it is going to the beach and sitting there in a t-shirt while all your mates are shirtless and people know about your passion for fitness and bodybuilding. It's just not a place I want to be again. I also have a new girlfriend who will know what's going if I start breaking out. I've been on acutane for 9 months and still break out a little if I'm on cycle and I don't want to be on tane for the rest of my life! I only break out towards the end of a cycle so this approach seems the most logical for keeping acne at bay, I know it might not be the most productive approach
but it might just work for me.

What have you tried so far bud? Acutane is a kak one hey sorry bro. Shit man just wanna help you any way I can.

Also which compounds are the worst/best for you?

I would stay clear of tren if you are prone to acne. I'm battling a bit of a breakout now from it. Sucks! Hairloss could be an issue as well since you are prone to it from what you've said.

MA: How long after using tren did you start to break out? and are you pinning ED?


I have done a 12 week test cyp cycle with shit gear (evolve), it was definitely under-dosed because I never had any gyno symptoms and after using pgw gear even at a lower dose I get itchy nips, after this first cycle I broke out horribly and is the reason for most of my scars.I then started Acutane and did a 7 week Test prop cycle where I didnt break out, after that I did a 14 week ST/EQ/Var cycle and I found myself breaking out a bit towards the end of my cycle even while on the tane but I was running the tane at a lower dosage then I did previously while on T-prop. I find my self breaking out towards the end of cycles while using orals and during/after PCT.

Ive decided Ill push the cyle to 6 weeks, this is the cycle I would Ideally want to try.. just not to sure about the Tren A, but i really like the set up of this cycle.

1-6 Test Prop 700mg - Decided to up the dose because of the cycle duration.
1-4 Tren A 200mg - Low dose just see how my body reacts..
4-8 Var 80mg
1-8 HCG 600ui

I will still run 20mg Acutane ED while on cycle and throughout PCT. What kind of PCT would I look at doing after a cycle like this?

Thanks gents!

Since you break out because of test why don´t you run a low dose test with tren and use an anti-prolactin at the same time. My biggest advice to you would be to do everything in your power to stabilise hormone levels as much as possible. If I were you I would use 250mg Test Cyp per week and pin M/W/F, along with whatever compounds you like. EQ and Primo are your allies here and they can be the stars of the cycle. How do you respond to AI´s?

Add: HCG is also known to cause havoc with the skin. I would use it only during PCT.