8week cut with npp

Been thinking of doing a short cycle:


1-8 Test Prop @ 1.5ml EOD
1-8 NPP @ 1ml EOD
1-8 Masteron @ 1ml EOD
3-10 Var @ 60mg ED split Doses
1-10 HCG @ 250iu x2/week

Ill do PCT 3

Id like to start the var in week 1 but id also like to run something in the 2 weeks before pct starts. Any suggestions? Id love to run the var for full 10 weeks @ 60mg but it will rape my budget.

tnx

Just a suggestion but what about the var from week 1-7 and some winstrol last three weeks up until pct?

Did this exact cycle except with Proviron instead of Masteron. Was okay..

@bob at what dose will I run the winny for the last 3 weeks? I was thinking 30mg per day.

Pyro- by saying it was ok, do you think there is something better that I can do? And do you think the masteron will make a difference at all. Otherwise ill stick with Proviron.


Tnx

You'll only notice the masteron if you BF is sub 10 percent.

40 or 50 mg per a day would be a better dosage, have used winny at 30 mg per day and was not happy with results

Megusta wrote: @bob at what dose will I run the winny for the last 3 weeks? I was thinking 30mg per day.

Pyro- by saying it was ok, do you think there is something better that I can do? And do you think the masteron will make a difference at all. Otherwise ill stick with Proviron.


Tnx

It's a solid cycle bro. Test + 19-Nor + DHT. Like Rhino says Masteron is a waste if you are not super lean, but if you are lean then the feedback is quite good. I did pick up some Prolactin issues on the cycle and it messed with my PCT so if I do something like this again I will run the Test two weeks longer than the NPP (dankie Oupa) and maybe even run Cabasser throughout.

I think the proviron will cost more @60mg a day than Masteron @ 1ml eod.

You can also run your proviron at 40mg ED, seems to be sufficient.

This is the first cycle I've ever run Proviron and to be honest I think it's been an absolute waist of cash. I've been on 60mg a day and haven't felt any benefits from it at all over cycles in the past were I haven't used it.
I won't use it again.

I dont run a cycle without proviron or masteron. I dont use more than 40mg ED proviron, or 450mg per week Masteron is the avg.

Rhino wrote: This is the first cycle I've ever run Proviron and to be honest I think it's been an absolute waist of cash. I've been on 60mg a day and haven't felt any benefits from it at all over cycles in the past were I haven't used it.
I won't use it again.

For what you get for your money spent, proviron is very low on my list. But it does have it's place- when you are very lean. I don't think it is necessary at all but it does obviously help with libido and hardening up when you are cutting. Nothing like how winny/ anavar hardens you and dries you out though at comparable doses. Androgens in general reduce SHBG, not just proviron. Anavar/winstrol/masteron will also lower SHBG and free up testosterone so taking it to free test up or as an anti-E is in my opinion a bit of waste of money. If you are working on a budget and could use something else instead I would usually suggest that.

Rhino wrote: You'll only notice the masteron if you BF is sub 10 percent.

That doesnt mean that it useless. You will notice results from anything more when you have low BF. Masteron brings plenty to the table.

Muscleaddict wrote:

Rhino wrote: This is the first cycle I've ever run Proviron and to be honest I think it's been an absolute waist of cash. I've been on 60mg a day and haven't felt any benefits from it at all over cycles in the past were I haven't used it.
I won't use it again.

For what you get for your money spent, proviron is very low on my list. But it does have it's place- when you are very lean. I don't think it is necessary at all but it does obviously help with libido and hardening up when you are cutting. Nothing like how winny/ anavar hardens you and dries you out though at comparable doses. Androgens in general reduce SHBG, not just proviron. Anavar/winstrol/masteron will also lower SHBG and free up testosterone so taking it to free test up or as an anti-E is in my opinion a bit of waste of money. If you are working on a budget and could use something else instead I would usually suggest that.

On top of that i get delayed ejaculation problems with Proviron.

The other question that i have is: Is 8 weeks on NPP even enough for it to shine?

I can always extend my cycle and run NPP for 10-12 weeks if that will bring out the best in it. Ill still adjust my diet accordingly for a fat loss. Maybe Start my cycle then with some tbol or Winny and then use some Var during the last few weeks. Then ill change this cut into a bit longer lean bulk cycle.

What do you guys think?

BTW. I always like Jackrabbits comments and what he has to say.

Megusta wrote: The other question that i have is: Is 8 weeks on NPP even enough for it to shine?

I can always extend my cycle and run NPP for 10-12 weeks if that will bring out the best in it. Ill still adjust my diet accordingly for a fat loss. Maybe Start my cycle then with some tbol or Winny and then use some Var during the last few weeks. Then ill change this cut into a bit longer lean bulk cycle.

What do you guys think?

BTW. I always like Jackrabbits comments and what he has to say.

For me its a no-brainer. Even longer than 12. my body only really starts showing results at around 7. I think you should plan on 12, see how your gains are and then decide to float into pct with some extra TestProp, or do another 2.5 weeks NPP.

But ultimately you have to judge. Some of my friends claim miracles at week 5 already - maybe you fall into that category; i am a ballie after all....

And..... ALL my cycles are loooooong - even Tren.

Tren A or E ? 12 weeks avg ?

will it be of benefit to run npp for only 6 weeks at the start of a cycle with prop, before the cypionate kicks in, if i decide to do a longer cycle with longer esters?

Yes. You can kickstart with short esters and switch to long esters after +- 5- 6 weeks. And if you want you can switch back to short esters a few weeks before your cycle ends. I have done it, and still follow this protocol.

Oupa wrote: Yes. You can kickstart with short esters and switch to long esters after +- 5- 6 weeks. And if you want you can switch back to short esters a few weeks before your cycle ends. I have done it, and still follow this protocol.

Oupa would you mind suggesting me a nice lean cycle with short and long esters, including tbol, npp, and something for the bridge?

Thanks!

EDIT

When i run long cycles i plan it with Short/long/short esters. I cannot recommended those cycles as it might have health implications to younger members.

SO ive decided on


1-6 tbol @ 60mg ED
1-10 NPP @ 1ml EOD
1-12 TEstprop @ 1.5ml EOD
1-12 Proviron @40mg ED
12-14 Winny @ 40mg (3weeks bridge)
4-12 hcg @ 125iu x2 week (Last 10 weeks)

I want to use anavar during bridge but i dont think 3 weeks is enough for it to properly start working?

Il use .5mg cabaser e5d and keep letro on hand. Ill do pct 3

Megusta wrote: SO ive decided on


1-6 tbol @ 60mg ED Week 1 - 5
1-8 NPP @ 1ml EOD Week 1 - 10
1-10 TEstprop @ 1.5ml EOD Week 1 - 12
1-14 Proviron @40mg ED
10-12 Winny @ 40mg (3weeks bridge) Week 9 - 14
3-12 hcg @ 125iu x2 week (Last 10 weeks) 250iu x 2

I want to use anavar during bridge but i dont think 3 weeks is enough for it to properly start working?

Il use .5mg cabaser e5d and keep letro on hand. Ill do pct 3

What's your stats and previous cycles?

iMan wrote: What's your stats and previous cycles?

186cm
18.7% BF
98kg

! previous cycle of Tbol 60mg/day, Cyp 500mg/week, proviron 40mg/day for 12 weeks.

Im currently dieting down and will only start my cycle once i have lower fat levels. honestly im not sure if my BF check was accurate cause i feel more like 15%. The actual test says 21%

Oupa wrote:

Megusta wrote: SO ive decided on


1-6 tbol @ 60mg ED Week 1 - 5
1-8 NPP @ 1ml EOD Week 1 - 10
1-10 TEstprop @ 1.5ml EOD Week 1 - 12
1-14 Proviron @40mg ED
10-12 Winny @ 40mg (3weeks bridge) Week 9 - 14
3-12 hcg @ 125iu x2 week (Last 10 weeks) 250iu x 2

I want to use anavar during bridge but i dont think 3 weeks is enough for it to properly start working?

Il use .5mg cabaser e5d and keep letro on hand. Ill do pct 3

Oupa, whats the total amount of time the winny will be run for? should i rather swap for anavar @ 60mg?