8week cut with npp

I would aim for 5 weeks of winny with that cycle. 4 weeks break from tbol to winny so make sure to support your liver as much as possible. Also remember the joint sups throughout.

Prop @ 1.5ml EOD Week 1 - 10
Anavar @ 60mg Week 3 - 10
Proviron @ 40mg Week 1 - 10

Will this not be a better cycle perhaps? Is it okay adding a nandrolone in for a second cycle? Also why do prop for such a long period and not rather test c or e?

We can discuss another 3.9 mil cycle options if you would like?

Why run Anavar from week 3 - 10 where you could run it from 6 - 12 or even 4 - 12 and cancel out the bridge? same with Proviron why week 1 - 10 ?

He is planning NPP EOD + PROP and i cannot see why he should pin NPP EOD and Test E twice a week.

The cycle he has decided on is solid.

I agree there's nothing at all wrong with the cycle. I just don't really see the benefit of running npp in your second cycle it's not like the extra compound will give you any extra gains.
I did it and don't think I gained any more by adding Deca than I would have just using test/var.

Hey but like you said it's a solid cycle no arguing that. just is the extra cost going to be worth it?

Ps: go ahead and take all my Karma Oupa a number on the internet really won't affect my life and you seem to like taking karma when people like a valid opinion.

Rhino wrote:
Ps: go ahead and take all my Karma Oupa a number on the internet really won't affect my life and you seem to like taking karma when people like a valid opinion.

I am going to ignore this remark. This is a *** wild shot accusing me !

Sorry if I got it wrong Bud No offence. Im a bit touchy(no test) I start PCT on Monday :lol:

Oupa wrote: We can discuss another 3.9 mil cycle options if you would like?

Why run Anavar from week 3 - 10 where you could run it from 6 - 12 or even 4 - 12 and cancel out the bridge? same with Proviron why week 1 - 10 ?

my mistake, I meant Var until pct

He is planning NPP EOD + PROP and i cannot see why he should pin NPP EOD and Test E twice a week.

I did not have NPP in my example

The cycle he has decided on is solid.

I agree your cycle is solid, no doubt about that. Just thought for a second time user so many compounds will be too much. Thanks for clearing that up

Just to clear up something. If NPP isn't good enough to add gains to a 2nd cycle, when will it be good enough then to add gains? 4th cycle maybe? Or when 1000mg of test a week isn't enough anymore? But as you say: is it worth the extra cost? I am here to learn as well and I'd like to learn how to do things the right way and from experienced users. Yea, I've done one cycle, but I'm still a snotkop compared to other oakes on this forum!

With that being said, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone that contributes to my education. My 1st cycle was awsum and my body handled it very good. I feel I can handle more and see how my body responds to nandrolone. Deep down I've always felt that npp will be a match made in heaven. Same goes for tbol. Tbol was my first oral and even though I've never used any other orals, tbol ill probably be my number one oral for a long time! I don't know why I feel that way but I just do!

@ Rhino - you missed that by 1000 miles.

@ Megusta - When someone doesn't add gains from Nandrolin, he is doing something seriously wrong and missing it.

In 20 years i have never seen shit gains with prop/npp/masteron cycles. Then to add tbol and winny in the mix ! If that doesnt work, then your sister stole your genetics at birth

Sorry once again Oupa. was a bit touchy last night...

And like I said its a great cycle but just in my opinion there is only so much you can grow in 12 weeks, Megusta screwed up us first cycle by like he said himself binge drinking. So if he does a Test/Var cycle properly he'll gain big time on that alone.

That's just my opinion

Rhino wrote: Sorry once again Oupa. was a bit touchy last night...

No prob

NPP is great for a 2nd cycle, I am loving it. 0 sides, great lean gains. Can feel the diff between test alone and test with NPP. Just make sure u have your cabasser.

Oh and I would advise 10 weeks at 450mg pw

If u got 6 to 8 kg on a normal test cycle u will get 6 to 8 kg if u add Deca but I found that there was more fullness and strength on Deca ...Is it worth the extra cost thats for u to decide ...I have gone back to plain test and still reach 6 to 8 kg but u will always be curious about adding extra compounds so go for it ....

I want to add a nice fatburner to my stack somewhere at the end. I cant decide between 3F or HEAT. Im a big fan of ECA stacks but have no experience with fat furnace 15. Anyone can help me decide which one to add?

No need for a fatburner. Your cycle is potent.

Adjust your training and also your calorie surplus for the first 10 weeks, and then deficit for the remaining weeks + bridge.

Lets see your progress 1 week before you start pct and discuss

Oupa wrote: No need for a fatburner. Your cycle is potent.

Adjust your training and also your calorie surplus for the first 10 weeks, and then deficit for the remaining weeks + bridge.

Lets see your progress 1 week before you start pct and discuss

Id have to make sure about may maintenance caloreis. Think its around 2800-3200. SHould i add about 10%-30% to maintenance for the 10 weeks and then drop with about 10-20% for the last weeks and the bridge? I ate around 4500cals during my 1st cycle. But just for interest sake: what would be a better choice between the 2 thermogenics? Ill save the clen and yohimbine for another cycle when im already in the single digits.