SmalGuy Cycle + Diet

Hi Guys

As Per Usual Before I Run My Cycles I Come To Get Any Advice Or Critique From The Pro's So Here It Goes

This Is Going To Be My First Nandrolone Cycle So Bear With Me

Stats:

Age : 24
Height : 1.85m
Weight : 88kg
BF : Roughly 15 %
Training : 8 Years

Past Cycle History
2 Beginner Bulking Cycles

Cycle :

Intermediate Bulking Cycle

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/33-cycle-7

With The Exception Of :

Deca only 350mg a week for 10 weeks ( Poisoned Pulse Advice )
No Dianabol ( Joints Dont Like The DB )
Test Cyp 500mg A Week For 12 Weeks Instead Of TestEn ( Or Is Testen Beter option ?)

PCT:

As Recommended In Sample Cycle

Diet:
BMR : 2666 cals ( Harrison Benedict Formula )

Pre Workout - Met Rx Creatine Blast (150 Cals)
Post Workout - ON Hydro Builder (170 Cals)

Breakfast: (566 Cals)
80g All Bran
100ml low fat milk
39g ON Hydro Whey

11:00
Half A Serving SSN Mass Addiction (576 cals )

13:00 (605 cals)
200g Chicken Breast
1 Cup Brown Rice

15:00 (336 cals)
100g Tuna
1 Cup Brown Pasta

18:00 (825)
1 Cup Brown Rice
200g Beef Steak or 250g Chicken Breast
1 Cup Greek Salad

Adds Up To 3228 Cals
Carbs : 361g
Protein : 265g
Fat :73g

Would Love To Cut Down On The Mass Addiction But Need The Calories Any Suggestion There ?
Getting Enough Calories In Is My Big Prob

Any Critique And Tips Would Be Great Guys

Smalguy wrote: Past Cycle History
2 Beginner Bulking Cycles

Cycle :

Intermediate Bulking Cycle

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/33-cycle-7

With The Exception Of :

Deca only 350mg a week for 10 weeks ( Poisoned Pulse Advice )
No Dianabol ( Joints Dont Like The DB )
Test Cyp 500mg A Week For 12 Weeks Instead Of TestEn ( Or Is Testen Beter option ?)

PCT:

As Recommended In Sample Cycle

Some use 250-300mg Deca per week for literally joint protection and lubrication as well as for it's effects on collagen synthesis to help heal iniuries. These people expect no gains from it, so I don't see how 350mg per week is very different. I.m.o completely sub-optimal cycle, and a waste of your first golden 19-nor cycle. Stick to the 525mg as per the sample cycle, or save it for another cycle. If you struggle with your joints then you are gonna LOVE Nandrolone! I am certain you will be disappointed with the results the Deca will yield versus the amount you paid for it. Deca also shuts you down hard and has a big effect on Prolactin even at low doses which makes post-cycle recovery , much harder, so you are adding in a whole range of potential problems for not enough benefit. There is no important practical difference between Test-En and Test-Cyp and the choice is often described as coca cola vs pepsi.

@pyro .. hmm ill definitely then have to up the deca its just so darn expensive (yet again talking out of a university student view ) rather than wait and save up and do it right then .. but thanks for the advice my joints are already happier

How much does all those supplements set you back every month?

well all and all R600 .. i know .. i work for a big supplement distributor and buy up all the just expired supplements so get everything dirt cheap

IMO 350mg Deca is enough, especially since it's stacked with 500mg test. If it's PGW it will definitely do the job.

@Muscle Thanx 4 the help .. now im stuck between a rock and a hard place .. dont know what to do haha

I know some people who would consider that a positive job benefit. I think I would drop the SSN Mass Addiction cause noone wants to get diabetes before they get their first child. I would choose the supps a little differently. What brands do you have access to and which are the cheapest? Can you get Cassein? Vitamins and Minerals? Maybe even all natural Peanut Butter and health foods?

How much protein from pure sources? Also I have never met someone who eats their Greek Salad by the cup. lol

@pyro its the best perk ever a stack which goes 4 around 4k in shops i get for R500 just because it expired that month .. i have access to all the brands nutritech is the cheapest to get .. i always use either opti men or armor v from musclepharm for my multivit .. haha and on the salad its like that because of damn fatsecret everything is always by the cup protein from pure sources is 180g .. so you say i should drop the mass addiction and rather add in casein ?? only thing is then my calories are too low

Smalguy wrote:
Diet:
BMR : 2666 cals ( Harrison Benedict Formula )

Pre Workout - Met Rx Creatine Blast (150 Cals) - Take creatine (and if you want BCAAs, l-arginine, beta-alanine ect) pre, send me half the money you save.
Post Workout - ON Hydro Builder (170 Cals) - Take Whey + some form of glucose OR BCAA's + some for of glucose OR L-leucine and some form of glucose post workout, send me half the money you save.

Breakfast: (566 Cals)
80g All Bran - Eat raw oats or mielie pap instead if you want easy calories
100ml low fat milk
39g ON Hydro Whey - WTF why? Such an expensive source of breakfast protein. Consider egg whites or even no-fat cottage cheese for caloric density

11:00
Half A Serving SSN Mass Addiction (576 cals ) - replace with whole food, your choices are endless. Send me half the money you save.

13:00 (605 cals)
200g Chicken Breast
1 Cup Brown Rice

15:00 (336 cals)
100g Tuna
1 Cup Brown Pasta

18:00 (825)
1 Cup Brown Rice
200g Beef Steak or 250g Chicken Breast
1 Cup Greek Salad - IMO feta and olives are a bit extravagant to be used every day in your salad. Salads are supposed to be healthy, low-calorie, nutrient rich, fibre-full filling food AKA ideal for cutting. Eat some cruciferous vegetables here. Looks like you need the nutrients

Adds Up To 3228 Cals
Carbs : 361g
Protein : 265g
Fat :73g

Would Love To Cut Down On The Mass Addiction But Need The Calories Any Suggestion There ? Drink Inkomazi, tons of easy calories lol, or even raw oats and full cream milk
Getting Enough Calories In Is My Big Prob

You are spending SO MUCH MONEY on supplements (Optimal Nutrition is notoriously expensive) I can't think how you can afford this at your age (no prejudice meant).

Smalguy wrote: @pyro its the best perk ever a stack which goes 4 around 4k in shops i get for R500 just because it expired that month ..

Just read this now, this won't last forever and you need to consider a sustainable diet bud.

#Furk wow haha thanks a lot for al the info .. yeah thats the big thing is keeping a consistent realistic diet .. protein itself is no issue its just the calories but will def add in more oats and get some of that inkomazi haha my dad told me about that but i thought he was mad as a bat but seems he was on point ..

There is acutally so much more I can say on this subject and better advice I can give, but I find this question problem so often (and one I never face) that it gets on my nerves a bit lol.

Perhaps I must right a proper generic page on "Bulking for Hard gainers" and just link it every time this question surfaces.

well if you could do it im sure it would help 80% of the members and gusts here .. thing is theres just so much stuff on the net one does not know what to believe anymore and which route to take .. because for example with me i cant eat a lot even if i force feed so i have to take the supplement route because of the need for calories but 50% of websites say just eat more even if you cant take it and 50% say rather supplement but balance it with a good diet still (newest muscle evolution mag for example they recommend 3 solid meals for hard gainers and the other 3 meals supplement) .. but yeah i get the frustration

Furk wrote: There is acutally so much more I can say on this subject and better advice I can give, but I find this question problem so often (and one I never face) that it gets on my nerves a bit lol.

Perhaps I must right a proper generic page on "Bulking for Hard gainers" and just link it every time this question surfaces.

That would be any valuable info to many forum members.

Oupa wrote:

Furk wrote: There is acutally so much more I can say on this subject and better advice I can give, but I find this question problem so often (and one I never face) that it gets on my nerves a bit lol.

Perhaps I must right a proper generic page on "Bulking for Hard gainers" and just link it every time this question surfaces.

That would be any valuable info to many forum members.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll get to work on some quality articles soon and link them to relevant questions/ threads on the forum as it progresses.

@oupa i know your the go to guy on the forum since your "THE OUPA" and all your advice previously have worked wonders .. whats your opinion on the 350mg pgw deca a week situation im sitting with currently if i may ask

Smalguy wrote: @oupa i know your the go to guy on the forum since your "THE OUPA" and all your advice previously have worked wonders .. whats your opinion on the 350mg pgw deca a week situation im sitting with currently if i may ask

350mg deck stacked with your test dosage will do the job. Run it for 10 weeks @ 350mg before we considder increasing to 525mg for the remaining weeks.

I would then even considder lowering the test slightly at that stage..... all depends how you respond bud.