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trojanhorse1
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25 Feb 2014 19:52 #162387 by trojanhorse1

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Hi guys Iam new to the forum and about to start my second cycle Iam looking for advise
Stats
44 years
Body fat 11%
Weight 87kg
Hight 1.86m
1 previous test prop only cycle for 12 weeks
My 2end cycle will be
Week 1-4 Test prop 100mg/ml eod
Week 2-13 test e 250mg/ml every Mon and Thur
Week 2-13 masteron e 200mg/ml Mon and Thur
Pct
Hcg week
Cloomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 20/20/20/20

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Pyroclasm
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25 Feb 2014 21:26 #162395 by Pyroclasm

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Your PCT is bad. Have yourself a read in the articles section on proper PCT. www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

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trojanhorse1
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25 Feb 2014 22:23 #162398 by trojanhorse1

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Thanks for the info it's very interesting
So I start my pct 30 days after my last injection
And use pct 2 mentioned on the link you sent me
Thanks

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Pyroclasm
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26 Feb 2014 13:27 #162468 by Pyroclasm

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100%. Not in the article but we recommend to rather use the HCG on cycle @250iu twice a week rather than during PCT. This ensures that your balls never shut down fully in the first place and makes for a much smoother PCT period.

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trojanhorse1
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26 Feb 2014 16:28 #162513 by trojanhorse1

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Thanks for the reply .hcg during cycle twice a week then 30 days after last injection
Start pct cloomid then nolva as in pct2 example from the link you sent me
Just one question hcg during cycle is due mast
I appreciate your help thanks

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Pyroclasm
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26 Feb 2014 18:23 #162527 by Pyroclasm

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Yes and you can start the HCG injections at about week 5 up to start PCT. For this cycle not being extremely suppressive I would advise that you don´t need to run HCG again during PCT. I didn´t understand that last part there..

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trojanhorse1
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01 Mar 2014 13:34 #162708 by trojanhorse1

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Hi there thanks again for you help
My cycle will look like this
Week 1/4 test p @ 100mg/ml eod
Week 1/12 test e @250mg/ml twice per week
Week 1/12 mast e @200mg/ml twice per week
ECG week 5/16 250iu twice per week
Pct start 30 days after last test e injection
Day 1/7 cloomid 2*50mg morning/afternoon
Day 8/37 nolva 20mg per day

Just one last question can I use 500mg/ml of mast e instead of 400 as I have an extra vial
Again thanks for your help I just want to get everything Wright for my cycle

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Oupa
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01 Mar 2014 13:56 #162710 by Oupa

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Yes you can.

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Pyroclasm
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01 Mar 2014 15:17 #162718 by Pyroclasm

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Looks good hey. I would add Test Prop again to your bridging period or an oral like Anavar or Winstrol. This is the period from your last injection until you wait for PCT to start (in this case the 30 days).

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trojanhorse1
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01 Mar 2014 15:28 #162719 by trojanhorse1

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Hi
Ok I'll add prop
Week 13/16 then start pct
Thanks again

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Pyroclasm
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01 Mar 2014 15:49 #162720 by Pyroclasm

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Remember that you cannot run the Test Prop all the way up to the start of PCT. You have to wait at least 14 days for prop to clear your system before starting PCT, so stop the Test Prop 14-16 days before you start your PCT. To clarify, after your last Test-En injection you inject Test-Prop for two weeks, and for two weeks after that you will not take anything.

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trojanhorse1
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01 Mar 2014 16:06 #162722 by trojanhorse1

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Ok I'll add test prop to my cycle
Week 13/14 then start pct 2 weeks later

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trojanhorse1
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02 Mar 2014 10:33 #162742 by trojanhorse1

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Ok thanks my cycle will look like this
Test prop week 1/4 at 100mg/ml eod
Test e 1/12 250mg/ml twice a week
Mast e 1/12 200mg/ml twice a week
ECG week 5/16 250iu twice a week
Test prop 13/14 100mg/ml eod
Pct start 4 week after last test injection
Cloomid 2*50 mg twice/day day 1/7
Nolva 20 mg/day 8/38

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Pyroclasm
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02 Mar 2014 17:01 #162765 by Pyroclasm

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PCT starts 4 weeks and two days after last Test-En injection and two weeks after last Test Prop injecion. HCG not ECG.

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trojanhorse1
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02 Mar 2014 23:10 #162799 by trojanhorse1

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Thanks spelling mistake
Iam starting my cycle tomorrow
I'll keep you updated

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trojanhorse1
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03 Mar 2014 23:32 #162888 by trojanhorse1

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Hi
For my bridging period you suggested an oral
I never tried oral before what's your prefrence between the test p and anavar what compound you think would be more beneficial to me
Thanks

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Oupa
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04 Mar 2014 07:54 - 04 Mar 2014 07:56 #162889 by Oupa

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With prop you will still have a 14 day wait before pct. Anavar you have only 1 day. Anavar is the more common substance used for bridge. The other bridge oral is winstrol or even tbol.

You can basically use any oral... it's personal goal related what you use...

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Pyroclasm
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04 Mar 2014 23:16 #163017 by Pyroclasm

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trojanhorse1 wrote: I never tried oral before what's your prefrence between the test p and anavar what compound you think would be more beneficial to me

You should definately try oral! As for the cycle, impossible to answer without knowing more. It comes down to the goal of the cycle, your long term goals, how many Mandelas you are willing to part with, etc. What is your goal for the cycle and what is your goal for the long run? Do you suffer from joint issues, hair loss, blood pressure, cardiac problems, high cholesterol, bad liver, acne, or any other medical blessings?

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trojanhorse1
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06 Mar 2014 12:31 #163250 by trojanhorse1

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Is there any benefit from using anavar for 4 weeks

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Pyroclasm
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07 Mar 2014 19:00 - 07 Mar 2014 19:01 #163366 by Pyroclasm

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There is benefit yes but most report that the magic happens round about week 6. If you are stuck on 4 weeks then use Winstrol if your body allows.

Last edit: 07 Mar 2014 19:01 by Pyroclasm.

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trojanhorse1
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07 Mar 2014 21:50 #163378 by trojanhorse1

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Sorry but I'm confused I thaught I was only supposed to use say Anavar for example when waiting on pct after my last test en injection
Which is 4 weeks if I decide to use anavar for more then that then my pct will be affected don't you think if Iam not getting a lot out of 4 weeks of using anavar would it be better to use test prop for 2 weeks then start pct 14 days later
Thanks

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Pyroclasm
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07 Mar 2014 22:26 #163381 by Pyroclasm

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No reason you can´t start the Anavar two weeks before your bridge starts. That way when the bridge starts the drug has built up to a good concentration.

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Rhino
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08 Mar 2014 02:41 #163389 by Rhino

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Just use winny for the 4 weeks, Var is expensive and overrated in my opinion. Like Pyro has already said you need to run it for about 8 weeks and you only start feeling it when you have to stop.
It's not a bridging drug unless you have a long Equi bridge to use up.

That's just my opinion

Go big or go home...

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trojanhorse1
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10 Mar 2014 17:28 #163625 by trojanhorse1

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Hi pyro decided to use winny for 4 weeks until I start pct why dosage should I use that doesn't put a lot strain on liver and last I got enough test prop for 5 weeks to use instead of 4 is that ok
ThAnks again

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Pyroclasm
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11 Mar 2014 09:22 #163683 by Pyroclasm

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WInny is very liver toxic actually and has harsh sides to those who are prone e.g hair loss, skin problems, joint pain, etc. It´s an awesome drug, but know the bull you are mounting. Regarding the test prop to be clear, you want to run it at the start of your cycle for 4 weeks instead of 5. This is not a problem go ahead.

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