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Testoviron 250 + Tbol First Cycle Help
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04 Mar 2014 10:18 - 04 Mar 2014 10:19 #162936
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Hey all, I hope everyone is doing great.
Just thought id post my first proper cycle that I will be starting in the next few days. I would appreciate your thoughts/critique/advice etc...
My stats are as follows:
Age: 26
Weight: 75kg
Height: 5.11/ 177cm
Body fat: roughly 14-16%
Years training: 3 1/2 years
So I got my hands on some Oraltec Tbol and Bayer Schering Testoviron 250 (Test E). This will be my 1st official course as i have run Tbol alone in the past and really enjoyed it. I've hit my plateau and think its time I move to the dark side lol.
I was hoping you guys could tell me from your experience if you think this cycle I'm running is correct. I've done plenty research but I always enjoy learning something new.
My cycle will go as follows: (test shot will be once a week)
Week 1: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 40mg ed
week 2: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 50mg ed
Week 3: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 60mg ed
Week 4: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 5: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 6: Testoviron 250
Will start PCT 14 days after last shot:
Week 8: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
Week 9: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
Week 10: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
I know this is a pretty short course but I just wanna see how my body reacts to it and I will increase in future cycles and I am leaving for greece in May so will need to take some PCT with me.
1. Do you think this is on point?
2. Will I need some form of estrogen blocker?
3. Does my PCT look ok to you?
I think there is MBP in my family as it has receded a bit in the past 3 or so years. I do have a shampoo that is basically a generic of nizrol and has the active ingredient of ketoconazole 20mg and minoxidal on hand for daily use.
Your thoughts will be much appreciated guys, and my apologies if I left any vital info out as I am at work and last thing I want is my boss to peak at my screen. I am open to any questions you guys have.
Thank you
Just thought id post my first proper cycle that I will be starting in the next few days. I would appreciate your thoughts/critique/advice etc...
My stats are as follows:
Age: 26
Weight: 75kg
Height: 5.11/ 177cm
Body fat: roughly 14-16%
Years training: 3 1/2 years
So I got my hands on some Oraltec Tbol and Bayer Schering Testoviron 250 (Test E). This will be my 1st official course as i have run Tbol alone in the past and really enjoyed it. I've hit my plateau and think its time I move to the dark side lol.
I was hoping you guys could tell me from your experience if you think this cycle I'm running is correct. I've done plenty research but I always enjoy learning something new.
My cycle will go as follows: (test shot will be once a week)
Week 1: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 40mg ed
week 2: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 50mg ed
Week 3: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 60mg ed
Week 4: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 5: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 6: Testoviron 250
Will start PCT 14 days after last shot:
Week 8: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
Week 9: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
Week 10: Clomid 50mg ed/ Nolva 20mg ed
I know this is a pretty short course but I just wanna see how my body reacts to it and I will increase in future cycles and I am leaving for greece in May so will need to take some PCT with me.
1. Do you think this is on point?
2. Will I need some form of estrogen blocker?
3. Does my PCT look ok to you?
I think there is MBP in my family as it has receded a bit in the past 3 or so years. I do have a shampoo that is basically a generic of nizrol and has the active ingredient of ketoconazole 20mg and minoxidal on hand for daily use.
Your thoughts will be much appreciated guys, and my apologies if I left any vital info out as I am at work and last thing I want is my boss to peak at my screen. I am open to any questions you guys have.
Thank you
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04 Mar 2014 10:33 #162940
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Hey bud. First off body fat is slightly on the high side to start a cycle, secondly running test e for 6 weeks is a waste and at 250mg u are not going to see much benefit. U will need to up this to 500mg a week and run this for 10-12 weeks. Keep your tbol dose at 50mg daily for 4 weeks. U don't want to run orals too long. You need to wait 30days from your last injection to run pct, in those 30days u can run balance of your tbol, as long as there is at least 6 weeks gap from your orals u front load with to the orals you use in your bridge. Your pct is off too. U need to run clomid at 100mg daily for the first 7days alone with no kessar, then after 7days run 20mg of kessar daily for 30 days. You will need arimadex or leteozole only if you have issues with gyno. If you have only a short period of time for a cycle use test prop at 100-150mg 3x a week for 6weeks instead of using test e.
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04 Mar 2014 11:32 #162950
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Thanks for the response DJ 
I know it is a bit short but I just wanna see how my body reacts do that dosage at that length cycle. My future course's will be increased significantly if all goes well with my current.
I think I will stick out this 6 weeks and see what my sides are like if any at all (I hope there is not, especially hairloss).
Seeing as tho i am doing a relatively light course would my pct need to be as strict as that and only start after 30 days from last sight injection? My current supplier states i should start 14 days after my last injection. Maybe he is mistaken but I am now not to sure.
Also what do you think the chances of hair loss occuring on my 1st course at this dosage? Not to fond on propecia as if those sides occur my girl will kill me and id rather be fully functional if you know what i mean
I know it is a bit short but I just wanna see how my body reacts do that dosage at that length cycle. My future course's will be increased significantly if all goes well with my current.
I think I will stick out this 6 weeks and see what my sides are like if any at all (I hope there is not, especially hairloss).
Seeing as tho i am doing a relatively light course would my pct need to be as strict as that and only start after 30 days from last sight injection? My current supplier states i should start 14 days after my last injection. Maybe he is mistaken but I am now not to sure.
Also what do you think the chances of hair loss occuring on my 1st course at this dosage? Not to fond on propecia as if those sides occur my girl will kill me and id rather be fully functional if you know what i mean
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04 Mar 2014 11:44 #162954
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Bud don't take this the wrong way, we are all here to help and give u the correct advice how to benefit properly from your cycle but if u have come here to ask for advice and not take it then why did u ask? 250mg is a waste per week and because it takes 4-5 weeks to build up a decent blood concentration and start showing results why would u stop 1 week later. The ester length of the enanthate ester is 10day, and u start 3x the ester length (3x10) after your last shot. If your supplier states otherwise then again don't ask for the advice. The dose is low and sides will be low to so hair loss shouldn't be a problem really but I honestly think in my opinion u are better off burning your cash if u are gonna run a long ester for a short period of time, rather use a short ester like prop if u have limited time.
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04 Mar 2014 11:45 #162956
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And regards to pct, rather make sure it is strict and 100% effective rather than not strict and u have repercussions later because of ineffective pct.
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04 Mar 2014 12:01 #162958
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Trust me when I say every piece of advice given is not going unheard and is definitely going to be taken into consideration for this course and future ones as I appreciate the knowledge and advice from the pros like yourself and others amongst this forum.
Reason why I asked about the dosage of the pct as opposed to what my supplier told me is to hear the differing views from other pros as multiple sources of information are better than just one.
I will definitely keep you posted on any alterations that take place to this course as i might even extend it now seeing as tho pct must be started 30days after. I was worried I might have troubles taking pct on plane so wanted to speed up the course and see what results i get.
Your clarity now allows me to extend my course to 10 weeks as I Leave for Greece on 14 May (last shot will be 5 May) and I can start my PCT when I am back as I am only gone for 10days.
Reason why I asked about the dosage of the pct as opposed to what my supplier told me is to hear the differing views from other pros as multiple sources of information are better than just one.
I will definitely keep you posted on any alterations that take place to this course as i might even extend it now seeing as tho pct must be started 30days after. I was worried I might have troubles taking pct on plane so wanted to speed up the course and see what results i get.
Your clarity now allows me to extend my course to 10 weeks as I Leave for Greece on 14 May (last shot will be 5 May) and I can start my PCT when I am back as I am only gone for 10days.
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04 Mar 2014 12:10 #162960
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Oh and one quick question. Should I get myself some form of liver guard cause I know tbol is pretty liver toxic?
Will liver support hinder my gains? And which product would you recommend I purchase?
Will liver support hinder my gains? And which product would you recommend I purchase?
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14 Mar 2014 11:55 #164058
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Anybody?
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14 Mar 2014 12:11 #164059
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Use the search function with these words.
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Essentiale
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Milk Thistle
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14 Mar 2014 15:35 #164084
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Essentiale won't hinder gains and is more than enough for tbol. Milk thistle on cycle will hinder gains. Regarding you going overseas during pct, remember that you can't stop training during pct or you will lose all your gains from your cycle. Like Oupa says you need to research a bit more. Search for my first cycle log, some good info there. Articles section also great.
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