please help,children doing their own things

hi, please advise on the following

I know a lot of youngsters who are doing their own thing when it comes to dbol, it is clear they wont stop. im talking about youngsters in zim. so please can you give me a 6 week cycle so I can atleast show them atleast how to do it safely.

and no they don't want to mix it with test, so I really give up.

they can only obtain dbol 10mg blue hearts, clomid and proviron

please advise where and how the clomid and proviron would fit in, they told me they do use milk thistle when they remember.

Apologies. Inane! There is a pct for a doos that does not listen its called a PK (poes klap). All that dbol is in vain!!!!

haha, iv tried, but they don't listen. they see the friends take and that's it,
so what to do now.

one of them was taking 80mg per day, he said the gym P.T said its the way to go.

I wash my hands off

You will always get the know it alls, or those who just won't listen.

No need to lick anybody's ass that won't follow advice,

Let them learn the way hard.

yup iv tried...

This is actually very bad because many people can have bad sort of addiction then because they gain weight on dbols but loose it again..and they are not educated and familiar with steroids so they just go on it again and again! Sooner or later your liver will be f#cked! One of my friends' liver failed 2 years ago when he didn't take any caution when he was on steroids. Think he did to many cycles in a year but it shows how you must always be very careful!

I also know about children using dbol and some wanting to use deca only and then u get those ignorant ones that "dont use steroids cause they are bad" but go and use hgh and all kinds of stuff. It's not your problem mate...like PoisinedPulse said let them learn the hard way. If I was you I would go amd give the stupid guy selling these kids steroids a PK and the pt at the gym for being a doos!

haha. i completely get u guys. the issue is alot of these youngsters are people i know some are family members.

what if told them to do the following

dbol 20 mg per day
1 proviron per day
milk thistle for 8 weeks

will this be less damaging then what they currently doing.

as u said u also know of youngsters doing rubbish. it def is a major problem.

i was thinking about selling them low strength paracetomal and tell them its a new type of dbol.

yessss they are that stupid.

rj66 wrote: haha. i completely get u guys. the issue is alot of these youngsters are people i know some are family members.

what if told them to do the following

dbol 20 mg per day
1 proviron per day
milk thistle for 8 weeks

will this be less damaging then what they currently doing.

as u said u also know of youngsters doing rubbish. it def is a major problem.

i was thinking about selling them low strength paracetomal and tell them its a new type of dbol.

yessss they are that stupid.

Ok bud listen.. try to warn them as much as possible. But I think if their ignorant little shits, rather tell them to go on a Turinabol cycle with pct. Chances are less for gyno or almost none as Tbol does not convert/aromatase into estrogen! also bloating would be less.. so if they do a pointless crappy cycle they can rather do a safer pointless crappy cycle!

Also if they are family members and youngsters, are they under 18? You should not let them go on steroids at all if you care about them because they obviously don't give a f about what is happening to their bodies. Otherwise they will have to learn the hard way.

I dont think dbol only would do a lot of damage but still its dangerous...how old are these kids?

JacobRudolf wrote: I dont think dbol only would do a lot of damage but still its dangerous...how old are these kids?

Always dangerous when your not doing the right thing though. They might be fine with PCT and some Liver Support.

Still a crappy cycle though as most gains is water mostly and you will loose most of it again, and why take the risk of getting gyno and hurting your liver. Just think a dbol only cycle is pointless :whistle: just my opinion.

jaksinsane wrote: This is actually very bad because many people can have bad sort of addiction then because they gain weight on dbols but loose it again..and they are not educated and familiar with steroids so they just go on it again and again! Sooner or later your liver will be f#cked! One of my friends' liver failed 2 years ago when he didn't take any caution when he was on steroids. Think he did to many cycles in a year but it shows how you must always be very careful!

this is exactly what is happening on for 2 weeks off for 3 weeks then on for 6 weeks, I am not lying when I tell you the ages are between 15 upwards but majority are around 18+.

yes I was thinking about a safer crappy cycle, there is no way of stopping them, its a good thing they into gym rather then drinking drugs etc etc but yes its still very damaging to the body.

so if you guys can give me a crappy safe cycle I think itl be helpful

Agree 100% with you jacksinsane...its pointless to do a dbol only cycle in terms of gains,and to have no pct is whack!! So rather just tell them to use proviron only...may not be a smart thing but it wil do far less damage than dbol only

@rj66 -ages between 15 are 18 are way to young for any steroids! No argumens!

Tbol @60mg ed for 6 weeks
PCT nolva and chlomid

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ok, so is there no way dbol only can be made remotely safe with the use of a pct even at a really low dose, the turinabol sounds a lot better tho.

rj66 wrote: ok, so is there no way dbol only can be made remotely safe with the use of a pct even at a really low dose, the turinabol sounds a lot better tho.

Well I'm sure you can make it more safe, but Turinabol and Dianabols are almost the same! Just Tbol has less side effects and is therefore obviously more safe also you won't really bloat like dbols. But sure if you want to look like a balloon go with dbols haha.

And hell when I was 15 I felt badass with my Evox protein shake. You can achieve better results on a proper diet and training.

With the money they're gonna waste they could have bought a nice protein shake, and some creatine. And bro rather kak on their heads and tell them not to f up their bodies at that age.

Remember there are reasons why the use of anabolic steroids are illegal. Yes for unfair advantages in sport but also because it is not safe when you do not use it correctly! Just facts.. yes sides can be overcome or minimised but still it is not something to play with ot experiment with in the wrong way.

sweet, il tell them once more, its off my hands then. what about these off the shelve test boosters, do they do anything, im thinking itl be easier to get them on something else rather then telling them to stop

rj66 wrote: sweet, il tell them once more, its off my hands then. what about these off the shelve test boosters, do they do anything, im thinking itl be easier to get them on something else rather then telling them to stop

Remember at that age they are on their peak when it comes to growing and muscle development! Their natural test levels are high and on their peak, the test boosters will honestly be pointless.

Trust me, whey protein and creatine will be the best option for their age!!! Maybe even a mass gainer will be good. If you train hard and eat proper you will get results! Especially at that age as well I think

jaksinsane wrote: @rj66 -ages between 15 are 18 are way to young for any steroids! No argumens!

Tbol @60mg ed for 6 weeks
PCT nolva and chlomid

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sorry didn't see the above, will wait for moderator

Dbol converts to an estrogen more powerful than any naturally occurring estrogen in the human body. Estrogen is what fuses the epiphyseal growth plates, stops bone growth, which can determine how tall you will be. Dbol can most definitely limit how you will grow. Tbol is MUCH safer as it does not convert to any form of estrogen. Dbol is one of the worst possible steroids for a teen to use.

thanks,i am going to sms that post to one of the fools right now.

Dbol is converted to methylestradiol which is like normal estradiol (a potent estrogen) on steroids. A lot of the perceived muscle gains are from water retention from this estrogen.

Here is some scientific literature if the little shits think you are talking nonsense about estrogen and height:
Action of estradiol on epiphyseal growth plate chondrocytes

"Estrogen plays an important role in the human growth plate by accelerating growth and promoting epiphyseal (growth plate) fusion in both sexes." "Estrogen accelerates the programmed senescence (aging) of the growth plate, thus causing earlier proliferative exhaustion and consequently earlier fusion."

The role of estrogen receptor α in growth plate cartilage for longitudinal bone growth.

"Estrogens enhance skeletal growth during early sexual maturation, whereas high estradiol levels during late puberty result in growth plate fusion in humans."

Growth plate fusion = Bones stop growing longer. You can always put on muscle when you're older, you can't grow taller when you're older.

The problem is that these kids are using cheap and nasty because they don't have the bucks to spend on quality gear.
As for advising them on what to use, case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Remember if shit goes down the first thing that kid is going to say is that uncle rj66 told me to use this. You will be in a world of shit and dealer will happily go on selling stuff while you're dodging "papa" in the cells.
I know it's tough because you know some of these laaties but look after yourself first.
Carry on warning them and even if you "save" one guy from using it will still be worth it.
My 2c on this.

Children barely have knowledge about gym at all they have so much to learn. How can you ever still help them especially at 15??? 18 is a bit of a difference but still!