1st cycle doing it the rite way...I hope

Hey guys.

Thought this would be the best place to come for advice.
Please dont get me wrong, have been doing as much research as possible when I get the chance,
but I want to do this the rite way this time so if you guys can please advise me or point me in the rite direction with links and so on.

Been hitting the weights since highschool and have experimented a little with cycles,but like alot of other guys, had no idea really what i was doing...
the cycle I am planning is as follows.
wk1-4 dbol: 30-40mg ED (have 10mg tabs)
wk1-10 Test 300 combo OR Testoviron(can get either): 500mg EW (250mg twice a week)
I am still working on my PCT and will not start my cycle before this is in check.
Sofar for this I have thamoxiplex 50 tabs..anyone know this?
Previous experimenting didn't involve PCT(stupid) and still really trying to figure out the whole PCT thing.
My diet is pretty good (oats,chicken breast,whey, brown rice) but am definately going to be upping the volume!
gym 3-4 times a week doing full body, always used to do split training but have been getting nice results with the full body workouts..
Also on non workout days I play club rugby.(wing)
I am looking to bulk up a little and also with proper diet cut body fat.
I am 26, 77kg, 1.70m
Not looking to get taken apart here guys, I no I must do my own research, but a lil help here would be awesome.Thanks

Hi and Welcome

Your cycle looks good.

Week 1 - 4 dbols @ 40mg
Week 1 - 12 test 300 @ 600mg pw (split twice a week)

PCT 1
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/images/downlo...le-therapy/PCT-1.pdf

Tamoxiplex is the axio's product for Nolvadex. Same thing. They both contain Tamoxifen.

However.....

I wouldnt be looking at more than 300mg test a week and some tbols if i played wing. You need speed, not muscle

Welcome bud.

This site has a wealth of knowledge so do yourself a favour and read through the articles section as well as the stickies.

With respect to your cycle, I think you looking for this:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

You may want to bridge with something between your last Test shot and PCT (approximately 36 days)

you guys are awesome!
I will have to go read up exactly what HCg is..
Should i include arimidex at all. read about a guy that included this and it helped his moods and so on..
and do I not need to taper my test dose?
Hope I can get all mentioned.
@ Bruno. What would yo recommend for the bridge?
I obviously dont want to bulk up so much that i lose speed so was considering winnies after pct?
So would the test 300 combo be a better choice over the testoviron?

a lil confused, OUPA says PCT1, cycle BRUNO suggests says PCT2?
Will I get results running just 300mg of test a week?

Oupa wrote: However.....

I wouldnt be looking at more than 300mg test a week and some tbols if i played wing. You need speed, not muscle

I said i wouldn't, not that you shouldn't. Its my opinion.

Honestly, it looks stupid for a wing to blow up like a water baloon, and then by the end / mid season deflate again. Obvious !

so chaps, which PCT would be better for that cycle, 1 or 2?
Oupa, Are you suggesting I drop the dbols and just do 300mg test a week?
Please guys, open to all suggestions.
Is there a better stack I should consider for lean muscle gain that wont bloat as much?

Testoviron @ 500mg per week will be spot on. PCT 1 with this cycle.

I'm busy with my first cycle, Test E @ 600mg per day. Gains have been steady, from 89kg to 93kgs in 4 weeks so what Oupa suggested is perfect for you.

With respect to adex, definitely have an AI on hand in case gyno pops up...I had a scare and I was very glad I had letro on hand. I wouldn't recommend letro for you though cos the joint issues will hamper your performance on the field.

With respect to bridge, winny should be fine. Personally, I am in two minds between tbol and winny...kinda depends on where I am by week 8 so that I can assess what I want out of the bridge.

I'll defer to Oupa on the PCT, he has WAY more experience lol. You may want to take HCG on cycle to aid with recovery on PCT though

sorry about the stupid questions oupa....testoviron @500mg EW with or without the dbol??
If I add the dbol @ say 20mg per day is it safe to stick with PCT 1?
and then what about the arimidex?

You didn't read the link that i posted and what the document said at the top of the page.

sorry man, so this pct will be fine whether i run dbol and test or just test.
no need for the HCG then, might just get Adex to keep on hand during cycle.
Now I just have to sort out my dbol dose and if i should bridge with something.
Thanks old toppie.

soooooooo..... week 1-4 20mg dbol ED
week 1-12 250mg testoviron twice a wk(500mg EW)
adex on hand...
PCT: 23 days after last pin-clomid 100mg ed for 7 days followed by 30 days of nolva 20mg ED
Also milk thistle, essentials,fish oil every day.
extra option-animal stak while on cycle?
Thoughts please and will 20mg dbol be to little to have an effect?

You using Testoviron which is Test E therefore PCT is 30 days after last injection. Rather wait slightly longer than too short too ensure a successful PCT.

Per the D-bol drug profile a dosage of between 30mg and 50mg is normal:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...6-methandrostenolone

Why do you want to to Dbol upfront? Arent you concerned about the increased bloat and then losing it after 4 weeks? Like Oupa said. looks kinda dodge to ick up and then lose so much size mid season. If you want a kickstart without the bloat, try Tbol @ 60mg per day for 4 weeks.

Essentials...the one for liver (Essentialle)? No need to get milk thistle then.

@ Bruno

Dont you think a 12 week Primobolan and Test cycle sounds attractive for a back line player.....

Something in line with 500mg test + 400mg primo

by looking at the other thread it seems if I had boobs, the replies would be flowing in hahaha
ok, so I have made a note that PCT needs to happen a few more days after the original plan..
now oupa...... what is this new plan? julle maak my deurmekaar.. not a clue what primobolan is but sounds like it is worth looking into? or should I look at tbol?

starting to think I should drop the dbol, but what results can i expect on test alone?

Oupa wrote: @ Bruno

Dont you think a 12 week Primobolan and Test cycle sounds attractive for a back line player.....

Something in line with 500mg test + 400mg primo

No experience with it personally (stating the obvious i know since on 1st cycle) but what I read up on it does looks awesome...primo or equi is definitely on the cards for my 2nd or 3rd cycle! Gotta start saving now already though :whistle:

Thumper wrote: by looking at the other thread it seems if I had boobs, the replies would be flowing in hahaha

Dis n kak comment! We dont get paid to do this, we assist at free will.

net n grap..... i do appreciate the help

Thumper wrote: starting to think I should drop the dbol, but what results can i expect on test alone?

I'm on 600mg test e alone...only 4 weeks down but I have gained 4 kgs with minimal if any fat gain and busted through strength plateaus that I've been on for months. Bear in mind most people say week 6 is where it really kicks in so the best is yet to come for me :woohoo:

Check my log out:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...no-s-first-cycle-log

Dont worry bro..you'll still grow like a weed on a test only cycle since its your first cycle.

Should have asked upfront but better late than never: what is your goals?

hhhhhmmmmm, as oupa has stated, would not be ideal to bloat up on the wing...I thought this would be managable with adex.. but if what you saying is true.. i reckon i should drop the dbol and only do 500mg test a week, just thought the dbol would give a good kickstart as the test is going to take a while to work..but ja, goals would be to get gain a good couple of kg of lean mass and increase strength.. but need lean power, not bloat so.. guess I have my answer..always battled to put mass on my legs and although my strength has increased lower body, feels if i have hit a plateau when it comes to all round size and strength

just thinking, maybe a preload of tbol would be wise with test e coz of the time it takes to kick in?
definately dropping the dbol, have to find someone to buy it from me now...

Guess you sorted then

Look, a kickstart will undoubtadly give you a more immediate effect. I didnt go for that cos I wanted to see how I reacted to test (to build my knowledge base for future cycles)and didn't want a kicker clouding those results. Plus I'm generally a patient guy so I'm happy with a gradual increase in size and strength.

If you really want a kickstart, look at Tbol @60mg per day for 4 weeks....that was my initial plan cos I wanted lean gains.

Good luck!

Can someone pls tell me...is turinabol and turinaplex the same thing??i can get turinaplex...thanks