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28 Mar 2014 20:10 #165074 by T-Style
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Ok gents so I'm planning my second cycle and it's going to be basic.
The cycle will run for 12 weeks and it will consist of 300 mg PGW deca and 600 mg PGW Test E.
Should I use dbol or tbol as my kicker and are those doses sufficient for the 12 weeks?
Stats as they stand are 97.5kgs give or take. BF has come down a fair amount and I recon I am sitting at a 12-15% as my top abs are showing (with a bit of a flex).
Diet is still the same, eating every 2.5 - 3 hours.
keeping my meals very clean.

Advice will be greatly appreciated.

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29 Mar 2014 07:30 #165077 by FIllet
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Its a long time to pct with deca so you may want to take that test enan to 14 weeks or that deca will be hanging around with no test. If you want to remain at 12 weeks then change the deca to npp for 10 weeks. Use your caber for 4 weeks past last deca or npp pin, IMO this is a safe option. Tbol or dbol is fine, personal preferance!
What are you going to bridge with T? Have you planned your PCT?

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29 Mar 2014 13:31 #165083 by T-Style
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The fella I got it from said that he will advise closer to the time on a PCT but I'd rather not say cause I will end up like Morning777. Lol.
I do agree though with the 14 week test E cause I'm sure my libido will take a smashing with the deca hanging around and minimal test.
What would your suggestions be for PCT though? I'm leaning towards pregnyl, nolva and clomid.
I must say with this recent course I had frikin nightmares about gyno issues and my mind was constantly thinking I had or have these issues but other people who have seen said there is nothing.
With regards to the dbol should I stick to 40mg a day or just do 20mg?

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29 Mar 2014 13:32 #165084 by T-Style
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Please don't think I'm trying to be clever with cycles and my PCT'S buy trying to cheat the system so to say. I'm just trying to experiment and with little guidance experiment to see what my body does.
Don't know if I made any sense there?!.

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29 Mar 2014 14:01 #165087 by Muscleaddict
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Not a good idea to run Deca without using something to bridge to PCT. It's a very long wait and you will start feeling crap with your hormones being out of whack. This whole thing doesn't sound good at all. What about HCG and an AI?

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29 Mar 2014 14:09 #165088 by T-Style
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What do you suggest MA?

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29 Mar 2014 14:44 #165089 by Rhino
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12 weeks Deca/ 14weeks test bridge with var and Pct3. Run HCG @250 twice a week from week 4 on cycle.

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29 Mar 2014 15:39 #165091 by Muscleaddict
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Like Rhino said. Just instead of using HCG during PCT, use it during your bridge. Don't forget the aromasin.

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29 Mar 2014 16:42 #165094 by T-Style
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Thanks for the input but please help me understand something....HCG tells your body's natural hormones to get started....correct?! But at the same time you putting artificial hormones in that are making it stop. Excuse my ignorance but isn't that a waste of money? Again I'm not trying to be a doosh, i'm just trying to understand.

Thanks for the help guys.

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29 Mar 2014 16:43 #165095 by FIllet
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T, hcg during cycle at 250iu x 2 per week as per Rhino, if you going to only use during bridge then 500iu EOD as you nuts will be raisin size. Caber is essential, arimidex as per MA on hand and aromasin in your pct at 20mgs daily. Nandro will f**k you bad if you dont use the right ancilliries.

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30 Mar 2014 09:31 #165097 by FIllet
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T-Style wrote: Thanks for the input but please help me understand something....HCG tells your body's natural hormones to get started....correct?! But at the same time you putting artificial hormones in that are making it stop. Excuse my ignorance but isn't that a waste of money? Again I'm not trying to be a doosh, i'm just trying to understand.

Thanks for the help guys.


HCG has the ability to maintain endogenous testosterone production and ITT (Intra-Testicular Testosterone) by stimulating the testes (directly) even when shutdown from androgens, such as Testosterone Enathate.

HCG is VERY important in cycles. It prevents the main reason the HPTA doesnt recover immediately post cycle - testicular dysfunction. It should be a staple of EVERY cycle causing shutdown.

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30 Mar 2014 11:11 - 30 Mar 2014 13:36 #165098 by T-Style
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Do not make a link to a website that sells steroids.


@ T-Style: Your repeated offences are becoming a nuisance.
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I sympathise with your situation at home and more so I think you are a good oak never with bad intentions. You have potential to add value to our forum. Read the rules and read all the stickies (as is required of all members). I am giving you a suspended warning, which means i.e if you break the rules again, you will serve this 3 day ban in addition to your next punishment. Do not make me regret this.

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30 Mar 2014 13:08 #165101 by FIllet
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What should we note from the article bro?

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30 Mar 2014 13:50 #165103 by Muscleaddict
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Rich Piana puts out a video saying it doesn't make sense to take HCG and now everyone and their pet hamster is quoting him and says HCG on cycle must be a waste of money.

HCG directly stimulates your balls to make testosterone. Your body is not confused from 'mixed signals' lol.
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30 Mar 2014 14:12 #165104 by
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I think Rich Piana is the king of bro-science.

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30 Mar 2014 16:46 #165105 by T-Style
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Oh dam I honestly didn't know that the site I posted the link to sold any gear. I was just using it for the article. Apologies

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30 Mar 2014 18:56 #165110 by Oupa
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Confusing discussion....

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16 Apr 2014 19:29 #166141 by T-Style
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Ok so I have been doing more read ups like I should have properly when I signed up on this site. My course will look like this
Week 1 - 12 150mg Deca every Monday and Thursday
Week 1 - 14 300mg Test E every Monday and Thursday

Will be doing twice a week pins as you can see so that I keep bloods constant. Unless you guys think otherwise?

Week 1 - 4 I will be using 40mg Dbol as my kicker (still considering that maybe I should use test prop).
Week 4 onwards 250iu HCG twice a week.
My bridge .....This is where I am undecided and seek guidance please.....can I use NNP EOD? For 3 weeks?
Will be doing PCT 3 like suggested.

Have I left anything out and if I have what and when should I do?

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16 Apr 2014 20:48 #166142 by FIllet
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If it were me T:
Dbol kicker
Test Prop bridge, not npp
Cabaser and letro? You got bud?

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16 Apr 2014 20:50 #166143 by T-Style
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Oh shoot yes. Ok that will be on the shopping list to. Quantity fillet?

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16 Apr 2014 20:51 #166144 by T-Style
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And why the test prop instead of npp?

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16 Apr 2014 20:54 #166145 by FIllet
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T-Style wrote: Oh shoot yes. Ok that will be on the shopping list to. Quantity fillet?


Letro keep on hand
Cabaser from get go to week 16 .5mg every five days
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16 Apr 2014 21:01 #166147 by FIllet
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T-Style wrote: And why the test prop instead of npp?


IMO to keep prolactin far away, 4 weeks past deca with cabaser and test past deca, dont throw in anymore nandro unless you want to bump it up at start of cycle, not end of cycle.
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16 Apr 2014 21:28 #166148 by Muscleaddict
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Nandrolones are a bitch for your HPTA to recover from so you don't want them anywhere close to your PCT. Even with tren ace which is in and out of your system very quickly, as a precaution you should run cabaser for a few weeks after to keep prolactin and progestin metabolites down.

DHT based steroids are best for a bridge because they harden you up and dry you out so that you can see the muscle definition in your newly acquired gains. I prefer to keep test very low during bridging so I carry as little water as possible, and so estrogen conversion is very low going into PCT.
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16 Apr 2014 21:35 #166150 by T-Style
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Ok so basically MA you suggesting I half my test dosage in my bridge phase correct?

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