Test Prop cycle, talk to me...

I'm planning my 3rd proper cycle, and would like to give Test Prop a try.

In the past I've run Sust for 10 weeks, and Test E for 12 weeks, both with decent gains. I'd like to do a shorter cycle this time, less time on and less time off.

I'm thinking of running Test Prop for 8 weeks, 150mg EOD. I will run Proviron throughout, use PCT 1 with the addition of HCG throughout as well (mixture of PCT 1 and 2 I guess). I might throw some Dbol in for the first 2 weeks if you guys recommend I do so. I have used Dbol for the first few weeks in my previous cycles.

I'd like some more info regarding the difference between the longer esters and Prop. Are there any sides which you experience with Prop that you wouldn't get with Test E or Cyp? Apart from the time it takes for the Test to start working, is there anything else to watch out for or to keep in mind?

Besides frequent pins, mg for mg the shorter the ester the more test per ml, plus its in and out quick so less side effects. I can only see advantage.

Test prop can hurt like a bitch first time cos it crashes out suspension easier and crystalizes in the muscle. Body seems to get used it though and some don't really have any problems but my first cycle of test prop I struggled a bit

Short ester so don't really need dbol as with test e to kick start cycle, but dbol is always a nice addition for first four weeks to gain size. Just watch for water retention and estrogen. Proviron will help but if you're estrogen sensitive may need anti e as well-can judge from previous cycles if you might need it-test prop generally causes less water retention than other test esters as it clears quicker

Good luck

Ok cool, so nothing new to look out for. I'll keep Arimidex on hand as in the past.

FIllet wrote: Besides frequent pins, mg for mg the shorter the ester the more test per ml, plus its in and out quick so less side effects. I can only see advantage.

Less side effects is not true. First of all test is test, so it will give the same sides being the same compounds. Second, test plasma levels need to be kept stable as fluctuations cause massive side effects. Being the shorter ester, you need to pin EOD to ensure stable levels. Most have skin problems when pinning less than EOD caused by the deviations. Third, you are right that you get more test per ml, but it is double the price of other test products available. I have spoken about this with experts and most agree that given a choice, the price of Prop does not justify buying it over other test products. Fourth, pinning prop you are limited to a shorter cycle (because pinning EOD for 12-15 weeks sucks the big one), and hence you cannot make use of anabolics like EQ or Deca. Yes you can use NPP but again expensive compared to Deca. Also some enjoy and take full advantage of that bridging period, where you can use some orals like DHT's for shredding, or Clen and Yohimbine for losing fat gained on cycle.

Yes there are advantages to using Prop, but it's far from a no-brainer.

The man asked about running a prop cycle so i see nothing wrong with it. I will keep my opinion to myself.

Pyroclasm wrote:

FIllet wrote: Besides frequent pins, mg for mg the shorter the ester the more test per ml, plus its in and out quick so less side effects. I can only see advantage.

Less side effects is not true. First of all test is test, so it will give the same sides being the same compounds. Second, test plasma levels need to be kept stable as fluctuations cause massive side effects. Being the shorter ester, you need to pin EOD to ensure stable levels. Most have skin problems when pinning less than EOD caused by the deviations. Third, you are right that you get more test per ml, but it is double the price of other test products available. I have spoken about this with experts and most agree that given a choice, the price of Prop does not justify buying it over other test products. Fourth, pinning prop you are limited to a shorter cycle (because pinning EOD for 12-15 weeks sucks the big one), and hence you cannot make use of anabolics like EQ or Deca. Yes you can use NPP but again expensive compared to Deca. Also some enjoy and take full advantage of that bridging period, where you can use some orals like DHT's for shredding, or Clen and Yohimbine for losing fat gained on cycle.

Yes there are advantages to using Prop, but it's far from a no-brainer.

I don't agree Pyro.

Now now boys, play nice.

So am I good to go with 100mg EOD, or is 150mg ideal?

PCT is basic and has worked in the past so I don't see much need in changing it.

This is us playing nice.

@Oupa: I don´t agree with you not agreeing.

FIllet wrote: The man asked about running a prop cycle so i see nothing wrong with it. I will keep my opinion to myself.

Don´t get offended when someone on the forum challenges something you say. It is nothing personal. I didn´t disagree with him using Prop in his cycle, I challenged you saying that Prop gives less side effects.

Pyroclasm wrote:

FIllet wrote: The man asked about running a prop cycle so i see nothing wrong with it. I will keep my opinion to myself.

Don´t get offended when someone on the forum challenges something you say. It is nothing personal. I didn´t disagree with him using Prop in his cycle, I challenged you saying that Prop gives less side effects.

Besides having to make sure you keep blood levels constant to avoid skin issues, there shouldn't be any more/additional sides though?

The difference in side effects are all related to how constant you keep your test levels so you are all right. Eg. If you pin prop twice a week you will get more side effects than if you pin test e EOD.

Muscleaddict wrote: The difference in side effects are all related to how constant you keep your test levels so you are all right. Eg. If you pin prop twice a week you will get more side effects than if you pin test e EOD.

Agreed-i like to pin prop daily to keep it as stable as possible.

The 'side' that isn't related to the drug but need to remember is to rotate pinning sites or you will start to build up scar tissue. General rule of thumb is only pin one site per week

Yohimbe wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: The difference in side effects are all related to how constant you keep your test levels so you are all right. Eg. If you pin prop twice a week you will get more side effects than if you pin test e EOD.

Agreed-i like to pin prop daily to keep it as stable as possible.

The 'side' that isn't related to the drug but need to remember is to rotate pinning sites or you will start to build up scar tissue. General rule of thumb is only pin one site per week

Thanks, I plan on cycling between quads, glutes, delts and possibly biceps. What are bicep pins like? Would you rather pin somewhere else instead of bis?

No need for Biceps. Conservatively you can get 4 sites from glutes, quads and delts which is 12 sites. For pinning EOD you only need 5-6 at most. Also prop is well known for pain from injections either during or after. Try to stay away from virgin muscle sites.

Personally prop smashes my delts. I would only do delts once a week rather than use two different spots on one.

Personally I actually hate doing delts, I have to do them myself and it always feels awkward. I also had a shitty experience on my last cycle where I must have knicked a blood vessel and had blood squirting halfway across my kitchen when I pulled the pin out :lol:

Do you guys split half the shot on each side or do the full pin on one side EOD?

Depends how much to pin and how big the muscle is where you pin. Glutes you can do up to 4-5ml, quads up to 4ml, but delts normally not more than 3ml (unless your delt is huge). I always keep the number of pins to a minimum.

I can't decide between RWR prop (50mg/ml) or PGW (100mg/ml). The RWR works out cheaper per mg.

Ignore my above post, blonde moment, PGW is way better bang for buck... :blush:

I rotate delts, pecs, biceps, triceps and quads

I hate quad shots-always seem to hit blood vessel-with something like prop its just some blood, but with tren the cough isnt pleasant-pecs I find easiest. So that gives 10 sites to rotate-but its a matter of preference.
True that you shouldnt pin too muchsite-smaller sites like biceps and tris-but pinning ed its only 1ml per site for 700mg week.

Don't split the shot-just one pin per day-2 pins per day over 8 weeks is going to get old quickly, and you're still going to have the scar tissue problem cos you're not leaving longer enough periods between pinning same site-5 days instead of 10 in my choice of sites.