opinions on this cyle

Hi peeps.. i know you must be tired of asked similar questions but i would like your opinion on the following cycle.
The idea is to get progressive lean gains and increase strength.
Super Test 320 for 10-12 weeks, pinning every 4th day.
from week 2 10mg dbol for 1st week then 20mg and tapering down again maximum 3wks. The winny, just a bit unsure when to start that, do i take it while running the test after the dbol or do i start after the last pin of test? Will take milk thistle from day one of the cycle.

PCT will use PCT 2.

stats are 36yrs
weight 90kg
BF 16% (yeah i know its high :blush: )
height 1.78

training mon-frid, rest on weekends.

dont know why i cant edit.. but to add, training is as follows.
mon: chest and calves
tues: shoulders and cardio
wed : legs
thurs: arms and cardio
Frid : back

ye 10 weeks is good, only means you can cycle again sooner. I am also looking at supertest currently but, read this: timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm - its all about esters and test being test (few things i dont agree with).
IMO hit that dbol at 40 or 50mg for three weeks
IMO 4 weeks of winnies at 40 or 50mg ending at pct
PCT 2 perfect.
How many cycles have you done?
I am looking at a similar cycle, perhaps i will up the supertest a bit and use anap opposed to dbol.
Dont forget your HCG.
Pin twice a week - the supertest and hcg

FIllet wrote: ye 10 weeks is good, only means you can cycle again sooner. I am also looking at supertest currently but, read this: timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm - its all about esters and test being test (few things i dont agree with).
IMO hit that dbol at 40 or 50mg for three weeks
IMO 4 weeks of winnies at 40 or 50mg ending at pct
PCT 2 perfect.
How many cycles have you done?
I am looking at a similar cycle, perhaps i will up the supertest a bit and use anap opposed to dbol.
Dont forget your HCG.
Pin twice a week - the supertest and hcg

Hi Fillet, i've been on quite a few cycles (alot actually) before but all of them i was ill informed so gains were made and lost... just trying to get proper gains this time. Not looking to compete or become huge, just want to look decent.

gambit wrote:

FIllet wrote: ye 10 weeks is good, only means you can cycle again sooner. I am also looking at supertest currently but, read this: timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm - its all about esters and test being test (few things i dont agree with).
IMO hit that dbol at 40 or 50mg for three weeks
IMO 4 weeks of winnies at 40 or 50mg ending at pct
PCT 2 perfect.
How many cycles have you done?
I am looking at a similar cycle, perhaps i will up the supertest a bit and use anap opposed to dbol.
Dont forget your HCG.
Pin twice a week - the supertest and hcg

Hi Fillet, i've been on quite a few cycles (alot actually) before but all of them i was ill informed so gains were made and lost... just trying to get proper gains this time. Not looking to compete or become huge, just want to look decent.

ill informed meaning pct? diet?
Ye i also dont want to be competitive, i would like to be fairly large though - perhaps 10kg more than what i am now with 8% BF.
Your cycle looks fine.

ill informed on cycle and PCT.. some guys just know better.. not talking about anyone here on this forum. I'm getting properly educated here now. thanks will be doing this cycle soon.

Didnt see it, dont use milk thistle on cycle, you can use it 2 to three weeks before cycle and then switch to Liv52 bud or Liv essential.
36 days to PCT from your last pin, so you can use one bottle of prop and winnies or just the winnies to stay anabolic.

thanks bud.. will do so.

Recreational users will not notice the difference between Milk T & Other liver sups. Health comes first so i recommend Milk Thistle.

Dont use dbols with 16% bodyfat. For lean gains use tbol @ 5 - 6 weeks instead of dbols and dosages of 40mg ed split 20/20 is fine.

Dont stretch your super test to E4D, and if you dont like pinning often, rather use cyp.

I would recommend
tbols week 1 - 5 @ 40mg ed
cyp @ 500mg pw week 1 - 12
winstrol week 11 - 16

If you can add in some provirons @ 40mg ED

PCT

Start your HCG around week 6 @ 500ui pw split 250/250 right up to pct.
Clomid 2 weeks @ 50mg ED
Nolvadex for 30 days @ 20mg ED

Oupa wrote: Recreational users will not notice the difference between Milk T & Other liver sups.

What about Legalon? Obviously much better Milk Thistle source than OTC stuff.

I would switch legs and shoulders days around. You can't train your shoulders optimally if you did chest the day before. Your anterior delts and triceps need rest after chest day.

Muscleaddict wrote: I would switch legs and shoulders days around. You can't train your shoulders optimally if you did chest the day before. Your anterior delts and triceps need rest after chest day.

thats what i figured though.. been doing this routine now for the last 3 weeks and its been tough.. next week I will swop it around as you suggest.

Day 1(chest and Calves)

Dumbbell pull over 4X15reps
Incline bench press 4X12Reps
Incline fly's 4X12Reps
Flat bench press 4X 12Reps
Dips with weight 4X12reps
Standing calves 4X15reps (heavy)
Sited Calves raise 4X15Reps
Leg press calves raise 4X15reps

Day 2(shoulders)

Military Press behind Neck 4X 12reps
Front shoulder press 4X12reps
Side lateral raise with Dumbbells 4X12reps
Front Barbell rowing 4X15reps
Seated dumbbell press 4X12reps
Front barbell Raise with barbell 3x15reps

Day 3 (legs)

Leg curl super set with leg extension 4X20reps
Leg press 5X20reps
Squat 5X10-12reps
Leg extension 5X15reps
Hack squat 4X10reps
Laying hamstring curl 4x10reps
seated Calves raise 6X25reps

Day 4(arms and triceps)

Barbell curl 5X12reps
Dumbbell Curl 4X12reps
Seated Dips 4x12
Over head extension 4X15
Preacher Curl with barbell 4X12
Cable press Down 4X12-15reps
Close drip bench press 4x12reps

Day 5 (Back)

Chin ups with weight 4X12
Sited front lat pull down 4x12
Reverse grip front lat pull down 4X12
Barbell rowing 4x15
Close grip pull down /in super set with/dumbbell shrugs 5X12
Roman dead lift 4X12

Oupa wrote: Recreational users will not notice the difference between Milk T & Other liver sups. Health comes first so i recommend Milk Thistle.

Dont use dbols with 16% bodyfat. For lean gains use tbol @ 5 - 6 weeks instead of dbols and dosages of 40mg ed split 20/20 is fine.

Dont stretch your super test to E4D, and if you dont like pinning often, rather use cyp.

I would recommend
tbols week 1 - 5 @ 40mg ed
cyp @ 500mg pw week 1 - 12
winstrol week 11 - 16

If you can add in some provirons @ 40mg ED

PCT

Start your HCG around week 6 @ 500ui pw split 250/250 right up to pct.
Clomid 2 weeks @ 50mg ED
Nolvadex for 30 days @ 20mg ED

thanks Oupa.. i was'nt too sure about the dbol as that does blow me up like a puffer fish.I will get everything in stock..
dont mind pinning often.

If you dont mind the pinning, pin .7ml super test 3 x a week.

Oupa wrote: If you dont mind the pinning, pin .7ml super test 3 x a week.

ok so sunday, tues and thursday.

gambit wrote:

Oupa wrote: If you dont mind the pinning, pin .7ml super test 3 x a week.

ok so sunday, tues and thursday.

yep, or mon/wed/fri.