Next cycle contemplation

Hey Guys,

It is that time again and I'm so excited that I even went out to buy a new slow cooker. That's right, it's cycle time! :woohoo:

First cycle was dbol and testcyp.
Second cycle was dbol, deca & test e.

On my second cycle I got shutdown hard but thanks to the brilliant advise from Doctari I am back in action. Deca doesn't gel with me so I won't be touching that again. No gyno in my history but have some stuff on hand just in case.

Currently I'm at 14% for 92kgs (without water retention from creatine). I had an epic all time low in Nov last year when I had to undergo major surgery on my legs and long story short I have to catch up lost gains. On the bright side, I have been awarded a sponsorship by a supplement company that wants me to do 'after' pictures in Oct this year. Think King Khan's road to recovery on a very amateur scale. I don't hold a candle to most of you guys on this site in terms of bodybuilding, but it's more about the whole "average Joe underdog that never gave up" that they are looking for. I need to fill up my muscles while dropping to about 8%.

So that being said, I have been doing some research and time after time I come to the conclusion that 00pump's Primobolan, Testocyp, Turinabol & Proviron cycle is really a work of art. Brilliant composition! Everything just works so well together!

My only reservation however is that I nearly rolled into the fetal position when I saw the price. It's expensive, but I made some lifestyle changes which makes this financially possible. What can I expect from this cycle if I give it my all (diet & training)?

Is this cycle really the best for what I want to achieve? I realize that it's main aim is for lower side effects which I can appreciate, but I am willing to up the sides in exchange for better results (if that is proportionately and realistically possible). I was thinking of adding a low dose of equi to the mix and perhaps running the tbol at 60mg instead. While all of these ideas are possible on paper, I haven't used any of these compounds to really understand what results I can expect. Guys, if nothing else, know that I'm committed and really want to make sure that I'm running the best that I can be.

My diet is def in check, and my training I'm considering is going to be 3days on, 1 day active rest (bootcamp style training), 3 days on, one day off completely with 40 mins cardio added to each day except the last day. However the training will depend on how quickly I can recover.

I plan to hit it hard so I will be under the watchful eyes of my bio and will go for regular sports massages etc.

As always, thank you for the awesome advise guys!

Nice cycle although i think you should double the test dose, primo dose is fine. Take your shots bi-weekly to keep bloods stable. Hcg in cycle equals none in pct so skip that.
Diet being in check with these compound so forget the EQ bud... Save yourelf some cash.

333,

Sounds like you know what you doing bro. Good luck with the cycle. Kick some ass and keep us updated.

Nate

FIllet wrote: Nice cycle although i think you should double the test dose, primo dose is fine. Take your shots bi-weekly to keep bloods stable. Hcg in cycle equals none in pct so skip that.
Diet being in check with these compound so forget the EQ bud... Save yourelf some cash.

This cycle intrigues me. In the sample section it has hCG both in cycle AND PCT. I think this is due to the length of the cycle.

What I did find interesting was the Test only being used once a week. I'm sure 00pump and Mods would have double checked before posting this cycle.

Is there any more clarity on this? Oupa, Admin?

The test is just there to keep the Boys going with it being such a low dose and with a long ester like cyp 1 pin a week it fine for that purpose . The main compound in that cycle is the Primo

And like you say Cyclo the HCG is used mid cycle because it's such a long cycle but it's discontinued so you would have to run it again in PCT.
There are many ways of running HCG none 100% rite or wrong the only time you wouldn't use it in pct is if you've run it in you bridge.

CycloTrpTyr wrote: This cycle intrigues me. In the sample section it has hCG both in cycle AND PCT. I think this is due to the length of the cycle.

What I did find interesting was the Test only being used once a week. I'm sure 00pump and Mods would have double checked before posting this cycle.

Is there any more clarity on this? Oupa, Admin?

That article is quite a few years old and we haven't updated it yet. There is never a need to run HCG during PCT if you have run it during your cycle and bridge. Another thing - It is always better to rather run HCG during your bridge rather than with your clomid/nolvadex. HCG suppresses LH significantly and clomid is taken to boost LH production so it is not optimal to use them at the same time.

That's how I understood it as well. One error on that post however is that he mentions using PCT3 from Doctari but lists PCT2 instead. Either way, I will be using PCT3 as I have found it to be incredibly effective.

Thanks for the suggestion Fillet, doubling the test is def one option. Does anybody else have more ideas? I'm very keen to hear if this cycle is suited for my goal, and how to make it more suited if at all possible.

Thanks Muscleaddict.
This is the first time I have understood this properly. +1 my bro

333 wrote: Does anybody else have more ideas? I'm very keen to hear if this cycle is suited for my goal, and how to make it more suited if at all possible.

Primo is brilliant, but you will need a well defined solid core physique to see the best results from Primo

Thanks MA, you always help us make seance of the scientific side of things. I never realized that clomid's purpose was to boost LH.

+1 to you sir.

Clomid boosts both LH and FSH to a lesser degree (for sperm), and also makes the pituitary gland much more sensitive to the signal from GNRH which is the hormone that tells the pituitary to pump out LH (for testosterone) and FSH.

Eish Sorry MA. The abbreviations are killing me.

Thanks Fillet, double the test might just be my course of action. Would you recommend an anti-estrogen from the word go at that dose? Also would you stick to cyp?

MA, thanks for clarifying. My LH was especially low after my shutdown so this is quite interesting in hindsight. Do you think that this layout for my cycle is ideal?

Oupa, I would also love to hear what you would change to the cycle. Reason why I'm asking is because I saw on a previous post that you recommended (and ran) 300mg Test E pw, 600mg Primo, 450mg Masteron. By that post, would you recommend that I stay at 250mg test cyp and add some Masteron to my cycle instead?

Thanks again for all the valuable info guys. It's really incredible to have this level of expert knowledge available!

I always recommend cyp bud, i am in love with it!
If you gyno prone, otherwise just keep it on hand.
Keep us posted

333 wrote:
Oupa, I would also love to hear what you would change to the cycle. Reason why I'm asking is because I saw on a previous post that you recommended (and ran) 300mg Test E pw, 600mg Primo, 450mg Masteron. By that post, would you recommend that I stay at 250mg test cyp and add some Masteron to my cycle instead?

You can save cash and have better results with a low dose test & tren cycle.

Muscleaddict wrote:

CycloTrpTyr wrote: This cycle intrigues me. In the sample section it has hCG both in cycle AND PCT. I think this is due to the length of the cycle.

What I did find interesting was the Test only being used once a week. I'm sure 00pump and Mods would have double checked before posting this cycle.

Is there any more clarity on this? Oupa, Admin?

That article is quite a few years old and we haven't updated it yet. There is never a need to run HCG during PCT if you have run it during your cycle and bridge. Another thing - It is always better to rather run HCG during your bridge rather than with your clomid/nolvadex. HCG suppresses LH significantly and clomid is taken to boost LH production so it is not optimal to use them at the same time.

@ M/A

sorry for the noob question bro, taking into account what you just said, i prefer running HCG during PCT. so would it be better to rather do the HCG/ Nolva 1st and then the clomid 50/50 .
this would be for a basic test en or cyp cycle + proviron / anavar bridge.

Hey General,

If you dont do the HCG during cycle, you won't have any balls left bro. All the pros will tell you its a must. You can do Clomid with Nolvadex and aromasin during PCT.

Nate