MMA cycle

Hi guys,

I would like a few opinions on the cycle I am about to run. I wanted to do 10 weeks of 400 Mg EQ per week and 300 mg of Primo per week.

My training includes sprints cross fit and muay thai with power lifting once or twice per week. I wont be fighting this year so I thought let me get some edge over the guys i am training with and also maybe make the muscles around my injuries stronger.

Is this a good cycle for me to do? I have a girlfriend as well so I need my sex drive to be high. Do i need to add any test in this cycle?

Any input would be appreciated.

10 week cycle with primo & EQ is to short. 14 weeks minimum. And yes you will need test in the cycle.

You definately need Testosterone! Without test that cycle is useless. Leave the primo if you are not looking for muscle- it is very expensive. Test and EQ will do you well. Also 10 weeks of EQ is a waste. At least 15 weeks, or if you plan to frontload the EQ then 12 weeks. Is this your first cycle? What are your stats?

I agree, 10 weeks on those substances are way too short. I would suggest a decent amount of test, not only for the obvious but also to increase aggressiveness.

Something else to consider is perhaps the use of peptides over a long period of time. Some of the members here would be able to give you tons of info but a quick search should suffice. I found favor with it because it drastically increases tissue repair.

I have done a basic test cycle of test like 6-7 years ago. I am 86 Kg with 10 % bodyfat. My diet is clean and well balanced. I am not really looking to put on hectic weight and jump up in classes. I am looking to increase my strength and endurance and also help with the recovery. I also have a degrading disc in the neck and I have been reading that cycles could help build stronger tissue around it.

So what you saying i should do EQ for 15 weeks and do test as well. Should i be doing a basic TRT dose just to help training recovery or higher dosage? I am doing track training as well and i dont want to drop the cardio due to carrying lots of water. Someone was advising me to do EQ test prop. Also jabbing prop monday and thursday is good?

Thanks for the input guys much appreciated.

Lesa wrote: Someone was advising me to do EQ test prop. Also jabbing prop monday and thursday is good?

Slap their mother that is terrible advice! Prop needs to be injected EOD to keep blood plasma levels stable because it is a very short ester, whereas EQ is a very long ester and only needs to be pinned once a week. For your needs I would a basic Test-En or Cyp cycle for 12 weeks @500mg per week. Inject twice a week. To aid recovery make sure that your diet is on point that is a big facotr for someone training intensely. There are supplements that greatly help with recovery times. Only then if you are still not satisfied you can look at using growth hormone with your cycle if you have the cash as that is where the true beauty of recovery lies.

Just my 2 cents worth
The detection time for Equpoise is about 4 to 5 months
The detection time for Test C and Test E are about 3 months
The detection time for Test prop is about 2 weeks
The detection time for Winnie orals is about 3 weeks

So if they do any testing before you fight maybe consider a Test prop and Winnie oral cycle this should keep you nice and dry and you should get good strength from it too
And you can run your cycle right up to about a month before you fight and you should be safe from testing too then.

Great advice Wictor.
I didn't realise it was only two weeks for test prop. Does it really clear that quickly despite all these new fangled test methods they have?

I already have two bottles of EQ and two bottles of primo. Got me a bottle of cypionate as well.
Winny is out of the question it makes me too dry i had an injury during winnie usage years ago. All the MMA advice columns and forums are saying that EQ Anavar primo and low dosages of test (200 Mg per week) would do the trick for adding on strength and endurance and aid in recovery (wihout killing the cardio)

So since i already have them my plan was to do 10 weeks EQ - 400 mg/week Primo 300 mg/week Cypionate 200 mg/week. I could front load EQ? So 800 mg for first week?

Also what type of PCT would i do in this type of the cycle and when?

Also I am not going to fight until mid next year so I am not much worried about detection times right now.

Lesa wrote: I already have two bottles of EQ and two bottles of primo. Got me a bottle of cypionate as well.
Winny is out of the question it makes me too dry i had an injury during winnie usage years ago. All the MMA advice columns and forums are saying that EQ Anavar primo and low dosages of test (200 Mg per week) would do the trick for adding on strength and endurance and aid in recovery (wihout killing the cardio)

So since i already have them my plan was to do 10 weeks EQ - 400 mg/week Primo 300 mg/week Cypionate 200 mg/week. I could front load EQ? So 800 mg for first week? Yes you can

Also what type of PCT would i do in this type of the cycle and when? You should start the PCT from 30 - 35 days after your last pin. Clomid @ 50mg for 14 days & then Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30days. HCG in cycle from week 4 up to pct. 250iu twice a week

Also I am not going to fight until mid next year so I am not much worried about detection times right now.

The 250 IU for the Pregnyl is that SQ shots or IM?

Sub Q

How do you actually measure 250 IU? as far as i know insulin syringes are going with 1 IU - 20 IU or something of that sort.

Whatever the total amount is of water you add to the HCG devide that by 20.

still confused what do you mean by dividing the water amount by 20

Lesa wrote: still confused what do you mean by dividing the water amount by 20

Reconstitute HCG 5000iu with 2ml water.

To get 250iu you will have to divide 5000iu with 20, so to get the right volume measurement on the syringe you will also divide the 2ml by 20 and that will give you 0.1ml in volume.

ok hopefully i got this right. Mix the 5000 IU powder with 2 ml of water and then the 0.1 ml of that will be 250 IU?

Any other substance recommended for cardio and endurance performance increase?

250 IU's is 5 units on the insulin syringe

CycloTrpTyr wrote: Work through it with me.

1 vial of Pregnyl contains 5000 International Units (IU) of HCG.

You add 1ml of water to enable the stuff to be injected.

Therefore you have 5000IU of HCG per 1ml of water.

Are you still with me.

if there is 5000IU/1ml, then it follows that
there is: 2500IU/0.5ml (divide both sides by 2)
1000IU/0.2ml (divide both sides by 5)
500IU/0.1ml (divide both sides by 10)

Does this make sense? If you have 5000IU per ml then you also have 500IU per 0.1ml
You want 250IU twice a week which is 500IU per week.

Therefore you want to inject 0.1ml per week in total. (500IU per 0.1ml)

Now forget units.

You split this up in two as you inject twice per week. Thus you have 0.1ml divided by 2 which gives you 0.05ml

Therefore you have to inject 0.05ml twice a week.

On an insulin syringe the volume (ml is designated as units. i.e. 1 Unit = 0.01ml. 10 Units = 0.1ml etc)

Therefore 0.05ml = 5 Units.

yes thank you that makes perfect sense. One final question. On this type of a cycle will i need rest or can i just train full 7 days per week?

You MUST rest at least one day per week with nothing that taxes the CNS. Big mistake to over train. I actually think one day is too little I would recommend at least two.

taxes the CNS? Remember my training is not weights all the time so it will vary from day to day. I rest only one day at the moment. Should the gear not make a difference with recovery ?

Do you train like a girly man or with intensity and focus?

There is no girly training in MMA. Every single thing we do has intensity and focus.

Then take a couple of days rest a week. You might just be surprised at your new level of intensity.