Need cycle advise and evaluation

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26 May 2014 16:41 #169210 by Cracker
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So Firstly I have taken steroids before, I've been on 4 cycles in total the first 3 for bicycling as a pro, but due to injuries in my knees I stoped (2 winstrol based cycle, 1 testosterone enanthate at 2 times a physiological dose and 1 bulking cycle of methandrostenolone and testosterone enanthate similar to this sites sample beginner bulking cycle).

End of last year I had a back injury and was unable to train for quite some time. I have finished my rehab and have been lifting for about 3 months now and have made about 5kg of muscle gains (naturally). However I want to regain most of my former size by the end of the year.

So I was thinking about this as a cycle
Week 1: 4x10 mg Dbol ED (evenly dispersed through the day)
Week 2: 6x5mg Dbol ED (evenly dispersed through the day)
Week 3-5: 20 mg Anavar ED
Week1-5: Trenbolone Acetate 50 mg EOD

For the PCT
Week 6: Clomid 100 mg ED (4 days after last injection)
Week 7: Clomid 50 mg ED
Week 7: Nolvadex 20 mg ED

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26 May 2014 17:00 #169213 by FIllet
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That is a really bad cycle mate!
Back to the drawing board and shout if you need some help...

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26 May 2014 17:20 #169214 by Cracker
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Do you have any suggestion for improvements on the cycle?
Would appreciate it

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26 May 2014 18:04 #169215 by FIllet
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Cool bud, give us your stats including age and what you wish to accomplish.

Let me show you whats wrong with your suggestions:
Dbol is best used at 40 to 50mg ED for 25 days
Two weeks of anavar will do nothing, 60 to 100 mg would be your daily dose
5 weeks of tren ace and no test is a waste, if you want short esters then we look at around 10 weeks
The pct for two weeks wont be effective.

Tell us what you want and we can help?

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26 May 2014 18:46 #169220 by Cracker
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I'm 23 and I'm looking at increasing muscle mass with little water retention. I'm not too keen on going on a long cycle, I usually get a lot of acne on my back on doses of +- 500 mg of testosterone enanthate so I want to avoid long cycle for this reason.

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26 May 2014 18:52 - 26 May 2014 18:53 #169222 by Oupa
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Then you cut out testosterone completely? hmmm

Do you drive your car without oil?
Last edit: 26 May 2014 18:53 by Oupa.

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26 May 2014 19:25 #169227 by FIllet
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How frequently did you pin that test? Asking because that could have been a cause of acne...

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26 May 2014 19:45 #169231 by Cracker
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If i remember correctly It might have been ever 4 to 5 days. that was with dbol at 50 mg ED for the first 4 weeks and coupled with testosterone enanthate for 10 weeks give or that.
And I know I need testosterone in the cycle, I'm just trying to minimize the side effects is all.

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26 May 2014 20:30 #169242 by FIllet
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Unfortunately you will need testosterone, maybe a slightly lower dose test and eq cycle is what will do it for you. Pinning the test and eq on mondays and thursdays. This would need to be a 16 week cycle though and you will need hcg, an a.i on hand, something for your bridge period and a proper pct. Clomid for 7 to 14 days pending dose and nolva for 30 days at 20mg. 400mg test and 700mg eq, 500mg test preferable. Have you used a 19 nor before (deca or tren)?

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26 May 2014 20:43 #169243 by Cracker
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Neither deca nor tren

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26 May 2014 20:50 #169244 by FIllet
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Okay, then when you do decide to use a 19nor skip the tren please and start with deca or npp. If you dont mind pinning you could consider 10 weeks of prop and 8 weeks of npp? Nice cycle, clean gains and simple. You need to decide on your compounds and we can help you get it spot on with ancillaries and pct.

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26 May 2014 21:01 #169245 by Cracker
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Thanks man.
I'm going to do a bit more research and alter my compound choice. Will post If I have finished deciding.

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26 May 2014 22:10 #169246 by Cracker
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Ok so I decided to run on a deca, test e and winstrol cycle
Week 1-12: 350 mg/week deca
Week 1-12 400 mg/week test e
Week 1-6: 50 mg/ ED winstrol

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26 May 2014 22:43 #169249 by Muscleaddict
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You shouldn't run deca without something to bridge to PCT, even if it's just proviron. Otherwise you're guaranteed to start feeling crap the last couple of weeks waiting for PCT. You should rather run the winny then so you can harden up and see your gains better.

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26 May 2014 22:49 #169250 by Cracker
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Only question remaining is If I want an AI in cycle to combat estrogen effects what should it be and what will work as a PCT?

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27 May 2014 05:44 #169251 by Fakey_AK
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Hey bud

If you want a short cycle and don't mind pinning then a 6 week blitz cycle of test prop and tbol can do wonders. Quick in and out with moderate gains.

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27 May 2014 17:51 #169285 by FIllet
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Cracker wrote: Ok so I decided to run on a deca, test e and winstrol cycle
Week 1-12: 350 mg/week deca
Week 1-12 400 mg/week test e
Week 1-6: 50 mg/ ED winstrol


Okay so you have had some suggestions and should you wish to pursue your choice then:

Extend your test to 14 weeks
Deca is fine
As per MA, winstrol in your bridge period
HCG from week 4 up to pct
You may consider a kickstart, tbol, sdrol, dbol, anaps? I would...
Pct would be clomid for 7 days at 100mg, or 14 days at 50mg
Nolva and aromasin after clomid for 30 days at 20mg ea daily
Cabaser to week 16
Letro on hand

Whats your height weight and body fat?

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