I want to go on my 2nd course in the next few months time. i am worried however about the below side effects which i got from my first course which ended in February this year.
Little bit of Gyno (permanent)
Slight hair thinning nd receding of hairline.
I want to know if i can go on a mild simple 10wk course which wont further inflate my gyno and that wont demage my hair. What are the suggestions? I know Var does not have much sides when it comes to Gyno, but then again I would not want to neccessarily run Var without some for of test.
Stats:
28 years old
9% bf
70kg
My last course in Feb included:
500mg test cyp 12wks.
40mg dbol 4wks.
Proviron @60mg per day on and off thru ought
Clen+yombine bridge
Your gyno was estrogen related, did you use an Ai on cycle? If you are that prone to hair loss then consider lower dose test with a higher dose pretty boy roid like deca. Ai and cabaser a must for you. Upload a pic of those nips so we can see how bad that set in gyno is.
If your worried about hair loss and are Prone! which you clearly are don't use gear. Your just speeding up the inevatable .
But don't panic all you loose off your head will start growing out of your back.
As for Gyno that's all about learning about how to take the nessassary precautions and if you have permanent issues now due to not researching enough before you did your first cycle ? Sorry but you now need to run Letro at a fairly high dose or your little Zulu maiden tities will develop into full Mama tits.
Sorry for replying after ages. I need some assitance in diagnosing my gyno. If it is excess fat or if it is indeed proper breast tissues. It started with my very first shot of test when I did my cycle in October last year, it was a little saggy. I also ran a proper pct at the end of my cycle.
Right now it is soft and just behind the nipple. Need I mention that it is not hard at all and actually feels like fat behind the nipple.
Do note that there are certains times of the day when my chest and nipples actually look 100% as if there we're no gyno.
What would be the best way to diagnose what I have. I'm really hoping it just sum fat behind my tities nd not a breast tissue.
Sorry for replying after ages. I need some assitance in diagnosing my gyno. If it is excess fat or if it is indeed proper breast tissues. It started with my very first shot of test when I did my cycle in October last year, it was a little saggy. I also ran a proper pct at the end of my cycle.
Right now it is soft and just behind the nipple. Need I mention that it is not hard at all and actually feels like fat behind the nipple.
Do note that there are certains times of the day when my chest and nipples actually look 100% as if there we're no gyno.
What would be the best way to diagnose what I have. I'm really hoping it just sum fat behind my tities nd not a breast tissue.
Sounds like mild gyno to me. I am very prone to gyno and if it weren't for AI's I wouldn't be able to do steroids without major estrogen issues.
If it's been like that for a few months already it is there for good. If you search the internet you'll find MANY guys with the same issue and most end up on bodybuilding forums where they are told to do letrozole 2.5mg/day for at least 30 days to sort it out, or do that along with nolvadex. It doesn't work unless you catch it very early. The only thing your doc can do is book you for surgery but it doesn't sound like it's bad enough for that. If you take letro it will temporarily improve because your estrogen levels will drop very low. But as soon as your hormones return to normal the puffiness will be back.
You can prevent it from getting worse by using arimidex or another AI while you cycle. If you are gyno prone you will always have issues when using steroids that aromatise and will have to manage your estrogen levels. Deca and progestins will also be a problem. Trust me I've been playing this balancing act for over 10 years. It's a bitch.
Can u help me contruct a simple safe cycle?
I was thinking of limiting myself to around 8 weeks. Smaller doses of test and stacking it with Var only.
I would probably do 250-300mg of test per week for 8 weeks and var for 6 weeks. How would I run the AI? I need some help here guys asseblief.
Will the gyno get any worst if I run another cycle?
If you dont manage estrogen conversion and prolactin on cycles it will get worse. By running an AI as far as i know you will be able to cycle. But your just going to have to be careful and monitor it closely
Give me the strength to forgive those who curl in the sqaut rack
As long as you control your estrogen the gyno will not get worse (for most guys). Finding the right dose of whatever AI you choose is tricky because everyone responds differently. I'd recommend LP arimidex as it is easy to dose since it comes in liquid form and it has less side effects than letrozole.
Muscleaddict wrote: As long as you control your estrogen the gyno will not get worse (for most guys). Finding the right dose of whatever AI you choose is tricky because everyone responds differently. I'd recommend LP arimidex as it is easy to dose since it comes in liquid form and it has less side effects than letrozole.
Muscleaddict wrote: As long as you control your estrogen the gyno will not get worse (for most guys). Finding the right dose of whatever AI you choose is tricky because everyone responds differently. I'd recommend LP arimidex as it is easy to dose since it comes in liquid form and it has less side effects than letrozole.
Test Prop 100mg EOD week 1 to 8
Var 60mg/day week 6 to 10
Adex 0.25mg EOD right up to PCT
HCG increases testicular aromatisation of testosterone to estradiol which causes gyno so when you start your HCG you might need to up your AI dose. I'd recommend doing 250IU HCG twice a week from week 5 to 10 and then start PCT with 14 days clomid @50mg/day followed by 30 days nolvadex @20mg/day.
If you get gyno symptoms during PCT it's best to use aromasin but you should be fine.
If you'd prefer to use a long estered Test E or C then do 10-12 weeks at 300-400mg/week split into 2 shots a week, and do a 4 week tbol kickstart at 40mg/day. Tbol does not cause gyno and is mild on the hairline. PCT would start 4 weeks after your last shot so time your anavar based on that.
Regarding your hair, my advice is the same as Rhino's. If you're genetically prone to losing it then you have to choose either your hair or nice, big muscles. 5AR inhibitors like finpecia are poison. Don't touch that crap if you value your sex life.
Last edit: 15 Sep 2014 23:49 by Muscleaddict.
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