Heritage - 2nd Cycle Advise

RonTheSaveg wrote: As always Heritage, you have prepped so well for all your cycles! +1 dude! I freaking LOVE this cycle! By the way I am copying it exactly for my training bud. Hope you don't mind! :lol: :lol: I've been racking my brain, for a cycle for the dude, for a few weeks now! This is perfect! THANKS A LOT!

Thanks Ron, I'm pretty amped myself!!! Should be a goodie.
Knock yourself out, tell your mate to enjoy...if he hits it before me let me know what his results are like

Heritage wrote:

Oupa wrote: waiting..... lol

Haha...Sorry Oupa hope you weren't holding your breath!

Cycle:
LP T-Bol: 60mg ED (Day 1 - 33) +- 4 Weeks ( 5 weeks )
PGW Test Cyp: 500mg P/W @ 250mg(1ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 126) 18 Weeks
PGW Equip: 525mg P/W @ 262.5mg(0.75ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 112) 16 Weeks
LP Winstrol: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks
LP Proviron: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks LP is 20mg a cap so run (40mg)
HCG: 500ui P/W @ 250ui Sat/Wed (Day 28 - 155) Week 4 - 22
& 1000ui for week 23 @ 500ui Sat/Wed (Day 155 - 162) Why ?

On cycle AI: LP Adex @ 0.2mg E3D (Will Up if needed)
Considder Aromasin on cycle @ 20mg EOD and then keep Adex on hand

Post Cycle to Start Day 162 (50 Days after last Equi Pin)

Clomid @ 50mg ED (Day 162 - 176) 14 Days
Aromasin @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days

On hand: Letro No need if you have adex

If I've missed something please let me know.

@ Fillet & Pyro, thank you for all the input it is much appreciated...I have not used all of your suggestions like Fillets increasing the test dose and Pyro's using aromasin as the AI but feel comfortable with the above cycle, you guys have helped tons!

Haha, now to finish off my current cycle which I'm loving and fight like hell to get my BF to 10% to be ready for cycle come Feb.

Heritage wrote:
Thanks Ron, I'm pretty amped myself!!! Should be a goodie.
Knock yourself out, tell your mate to enjoy...if he hits it before me let me know what his results are like

My pleasure bud. He's actually gonna start 1st Aug. Will follow this cycle exactly as is. His results should be great. Not a hard gainer like myself. Pretty big dude. 37years old, 178cm, 89kg's, BF: 12%.

You and the guys helped me lank. Owe you one man! Shot bud!

Remember your liver and joint supplements bud

Liver supps a must, but with Equipoise you should find there is no need for joint supps. As a rule on should only add supplements when vitally necessary and when your diet cannot take you there.

Oupa wrote: Remember your liver and joint supplements bud

Joint Support = 2 x Athrochoice while on the winny, otherwise 1 per day.

Liver Support = 2 x Milk Thistle ED before cycle and During PCT
On cycle 6 x Essentiale ED while on T-Bol & Winny otherwise 4 ED.

Multi-Vit = Normally Centrum but have recently got hold of Pro V Gaurd and will give it try so it could possibly replace the centrum.

Supps on/off cycle are always the same:

SSN Whey
SSN 3:1:1 BCAA'S
Evox Mono Creatine
Either MR1 or NO Rage preworkout

Sound good?

Pyroclasm wrote: Liver supps a must, but with Equipoise you should find there is no need for joint supps. As a rule on should only add supplements when vitally necessary and when your diet cannot take you there.

Thanks Pyro, but I need the joint support as well...suffer from "inpingement pain" on my right shoulder which normally becomes worse without the joint support.

Yep sounds solid. 2 x Essentiale and 2 x Milk Thistle will suffice while using orals at your dosages. I split my dosages 50/50 when I wake and before bed.

Heritage wrote: Normally Centrum but have recently got hold of Pro V Gaurd and will give it try so it could possibly replace the centrum.

I'm using the pro V Gaurd, I rate it highly. I'm also considering to drop my Multi and replace with the V Gaurd.
Not even a hint of any illness this winter. :woohoo:

Bru, what about supplementing with evening primrose oil and fish oil? Never overkill while on cycle, IMO.

Heritage wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Liver supps a must, but with Equipoise you should find there is no need for joint supps. As a rule on should only add supplements when vitally necessary and when your diet cannot take you there.

Thanks Pyro, but I need the joint support as well...suffer from "inpingement pain" on my right shoulder which normally becomes worse without the joint support.

You might just be surprised with EQ.

I've still needed joint support on my Equi cycle! I tried to go without at first but my knee started playing up and as soon as I jumped on the joint support it's now cool.

But then again I'm falling apart so my body isn't a great guid rite now :lol:

Oupa wrote:

Heritage wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Cycle:
LP T-Bol: 60mg ED (Day 1 - 33) +- 4 Weeks ( 5 weeks )
Sorry Typo - 33 days is 2 days short of 5 weeks
PGW Test Cyp: 500mg P/W @ 250mg(1ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 126) 18 Weeks
PGW Equip: 525mg P/W @ 262.5mg(0.75ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 112) 16 Weeks
Will have about 2100mg extra here, should I look at increasing the dosage at some point in the cycle or rather save for a rainy day?
LP Winstrol: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks
Again Typo - will actually be 2 days short of 6 weeks
LP Proviron: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks LP is 20mg a cap so run (40mg)
Will do it will then be 40mg ED from Day 110 - 160 which is just over 7 weeks
HCG: 500ui P/W @ 250ui Sat/Wed (Day 28 - 155) Week 4 - 22
& 1000ui for week 23 @ 500ui Sat/Wed (Day 155 - 162) Why ?
I thought I saw a post where MA says he runs it like that to make the clomid more effective, but possibly I'm wrong cause I couldn't find the post?

On cycle AI: LP Adex @ 0.2mg E3D (Will Up if needed)
Considder Aromasin on cycle @ 20mg EOD and then keep Adex on hand
Both you and Pyro have recommended this, so I'll definitely change to Aromasin
and run as on cycle AI 20MG EOD

Post Cycle to Start Day 162 (50 Days after last Equi Pin)

Clomid @ 50mg ED (Day 162 - 176) 14 Days
Aromasin @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days

On hand: Letro No need if you have adex
No longer needed then will have adex on hand

Heritage wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Heritage wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Cycle:
LP T-Bol: 60mg ED (Day 1 - 33) +- 4 Weeks ( 5 weeks )
Sorry Typo - 33 days is 2 days short of 5 weeks
PGW Test Cyp: 500mg P/W @ 250mg(1ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 126) 18 Weeks
PGW Equip: 525mg P/W @ 262.5mg(0.75ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 112) 16 Weeks
Will have about 2100mg extra here, should I look at increasing the dosage at some point in the cycle or rather save for a rainy day?
LP Winstrol: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks
Again Typo - will actually be 2 days short of 6 weeks
LP Proviron: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks LP is 20mg a cap so run (40mg)
Will do it will then be 40mg ED from Day 110 - 160 which is just over 7 weeks
HCG: 500ui P/W @ 250ui Sat/Wed (Day 28 - 155) Week 4 - 22
& 1000ui for week 23 @ 500ui Sat/Wed (Day 155 - 162) Why ?
I thought I saw a post where MA says he runs it like that to make the clomid more effective, but possibly I'm wrong cause I couldn't find the post?

On cycle AI: LP Adex @ 0.2mg E3D (Will Up if needed)
Considder Aromasin on cycle @ 20mg EOD and then keep Adex on hand
Both you and Pyro have recommended this, so I'll definitely change to Aromasin
and run as on cycle AI 20MG EOD

Post Cycle to Start Day 162 (50 Days after last Equi Pin)

Clomid @ 50mg ED (Day 162 - 176) 14 Days
Aromasin @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days

On hand: Letro No need if you have adex
No longer needed then will have adex on hand

Note to self, never post in yellow...if you highlight over it, you can see what I've written I've written.
Sorry guys.

RonTheSaveg wrote:

Heritage wrote: Normally Centrum but have recently got hold of Pro V Gaurd and will give it try so it could possibly replace the centrum.

I'm using the pro V Gaurd, I rate it highly. I'm also considering to drop my Multi and replace with the V Gaurd.
Not even a hint of any illness this winter. :woohoo:

Bru, what about supplementing with evening primrose oil and fish oil? Never overkill while on cycle, IMO.

Thanks Ron, how do you incorporate those in your diet? I've never used either? Primrose oil, sounds like something I might use in conjunction with my wife :blush:

Rhino wrote: But then again I'm falling apart so my body isn't a great guid rite now :lol:

Sh*t bud, my heart bleeds for you boet...all the prep and planning that goes into a cycle not to mention the excitement for results. To have what has happened to you...sick, teeth and disc. Doesn't sound fair!

Oupa wrote: Yep sounds solid. 2 x Essentiale and 2 x Milk Thistle will suffice while using orals at your dosages. I split my dosages 50/50 when I wake and before bed.

Oupa...do you recommended that dosage while on cycle? To use both? Not just the Essentiale?

Heritage wrote: Thanks Ron, how do you incorporate those in your diet? I've never used either? Primrose oil, sounds like something I might use in conjunction with my wife :blush:

Heritage, you're funny man! I guess you could use it on your wife, if you really had noting else. :lol: :lol:

Evening primrose oil is extracted from seeds of the evening primrose plant (Oenothera biennis) - a wildflower that grows in eastern and central North America. I think it's omega 3. I then also buy a combo of fish oil containing omega 6 and 9. I have 1000mg of each in the morning and the same at night. One capsule of each. Also good for joint support while on cycle.

I'm a strong believer in supplementing with omeg's. Dischem has a huge range. And if you on discovery they pay for all of it!

milk thistle morning and night a week before cycle...same with essentiale but on cycle ...add some milk thistle once a week on cycle as well ...more than enough ...and then milk thistle after cycle for a week or two ....


omega 3 three times a day ...dont overdo 6 and 9 if u eating P /nut butter u getting more than enough 6/9 ...to much 6/9 blocks the omega 3 from getting to do what it does ...

Heritage wrote:

Oupa wrote: Yep sounds solid. 2 x Essentiale and 2 x Milk Thistle will suffice while using orals at your dosages. I split my dosages 50/50 when I wake and before bed.

Oupa...do you recommended that dosage while on cycle? To use both? Not just the Essentiale?

Depends on my cycle and what 'liver toxic' compounds i use. I have never had any liver problems, nor has any of my friends running those dosages.

I only upped the dosages with essentiale to x 4 when i used Superdrol, those things are super toxic but works like a bom.