Cutting cycle

I did wbff when it was still around its not ifbb standard obviously but I was still proud of what I had achieved...I placed 1st at millenium gold plate 1st at sa's then 2nd at worlds for junior u/21.....was 4 years back,so its not anything to brag about....I guess I pushed it because I was feeling insecure....anyway,I also took part in a npc comp earlier this year and placed 5th in physique in los angeles....I just ran fff,some winstrol,var up to that show...


my first cycle was 8 weeks:
Sust and dbol at 700mg/wk and 50mg/wk



my 2nd 8 weeks:
Sust and anaps and deca:700mg/wk,100mg/wk and 300mg/w


For my 1st comp 8 weeks:
Tren at 80 eod
test prop at 100 eod
mast at 100 eod
winstrol at 40mg
Icyplex
cyx3


My 2nd comp DJ the member here helped me cant remember the cycle but similar to previous with added t3


and then now recently

Fff
clen
Anavar
and yohimbine





Ive noticed a HUGE difference with tge oraltec brand compared to my previous cycles of axio and dragon tbh
Ive out on just those orals and the fff almost exactly as those bigger cycles...


so basically right now im contemplating a tren a,test p,?mast,var,clen,yohimbine,gw and maybe ipamorelin and I want only pgw,oraltec and lp


I have NEVER done PCT.....I know....but will definitely from now on.

So as you guys can see ive just been doing things half assed with my cycles....so wana do it right from now on....I think if can dial everything in I can do well on stage again

Sorry but this cycle you contemplating, id it just to ripped up or to get on the stage?

rip me up for now as much as possible and then set sights on shows probably next year...want to do physique and honestly believe I can turn pro before 30 with the right knowledge and coaching

If it us just to rip up i personally think your proposed cycle is overkill and is going to put unnessaccary stress on your body.. You can get ripped up to 5% with a simple test, tren and var cycle with a strict diet..

Thanks man....do you think I could add the gw aswell though?

And I know everyone says that test should be there as a base....but tren is already 5 times as androngenic and anabolic as test...according to what ive read....I gain very easily and want a more symmetrical,hard and crisp phisique.....would the tren alone with var and mast maybe not be better?

Just add a low dose test, no need for a high dose. Personally i would keep mast for comp. also no real need for a fatburner.. Diet and intense training will get you where you want with minimum AAS use.

Kwl thanks for the input

Eros wrote: but tren is already 5 times as androngenic and anabolic as test...

Yes it is x 5 times stronger. But Trenbolone is not Testosterone. Imagine if our balls produced trenbolon... we would all be naturally jacked by the age of 5 :lol:

Test and 19 nor hormones are two very different hormones

Thanks for the reply Oupa...I see you are one of the most respected members here,I can tell by reading your posts that you have alot of real world experience...what would the difference be for example on stage in the quality of my physique where i to leave test out of a tren,mast cycle?or is the test used as a base to balance things out?just curious

Welcome back bru ...unwritten rule ...when M A speaks sit back listen and learn as we all do ..
Without test your dick wont work ...depresion ect ect ..test is always a base and u could get what u want with test and diet alone especially if u have good genes ..

Dangerous to answer you because some novice tit will interpret the info wrong and end up in ICU or somewhere.

Yes, the quality of your physique will look better once you have reached the end half life of your test ester just before contest.

Thanks guys

Trenbolone may be 5x as anabolic as testosterone, but that's all it pretty much has going for it. Trenbolone is a progestin with very strong anabolic effects - it is not a proper androgen for normal bodily function. And when I say 'normal bodily function', i'm talking about far more than your libido here. The human body and endocrine system is not that simple. Testosterone is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it regulates the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets and hence platelet aggregation in humans, it is essential for proper mental and psychological function, and MANY MANY more functions and I cannot list all of them here. Just because trenbolone is 'better than' testosterone in one or two areas (anabolic tissue increases), does not mean that it is better than it in every single aspect and function. Trenbolone does jack shit in many of those physiological functions that testosterone governs.




Thought I would add this as it pertained to my question.