proposed lean cycle for 2015

Howsit guys , planning a cycle for 2015 . Aim is to keep all the gains as I don't want to take steriods ever again! Proposed cycle as follows :

1 - 10|Test-6000|600mg weekly (600mg\1ml per week)
1 - 7 | Anap. | 50mg ED
9 - 12| Winstrol| 45mg ED
11-12 | Test-400|800mg weekly (400mg/1ml twice a week)
3- 12 |Armidex. |0.25mg/E0D

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14 & 15|Nolva. |40mg/ed
16 & 17|Nolva |20mg/ed
14-16.5|Creatine

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I'm ill be 19 next year with 3 years training behind me
Im 65kgs at the moment

Gym reutine:
Mon | X X X X X X
Tue | chest+biceps+abs
Wed | back+ tris + traps
Thur| shoulders+Leg 2
Frid| chest +bicep+abs
Sat | back + tris
Sun | shoulders+ LEG 1

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I know diet is also very important

Any advice will be greatly appretiated

If that is you in the profile pic, please block your out your face.

Thanks oupa , my mistake

sherm wrote: Howsit guys , planning a cycle for 2015 . Aim is to keep all the gains as I don't want to take steriods ever again!

You can not keep your gains unless you keep doing steroids. You will be back on cycle within a few months once you have lost most of your strength gains and muscle.

There is no PCT or diet that can make you retain your gains from steroids, only more steroids!

18 years old, 65Kg and you want to use steroids. :blink: If you were my buddy I would kick your lazy ass into next week. You are too young to use steroids. Hard work and consistancy builds a good body. You need some sense knocked into you bro, not advice on how to run a cycle. Please rethink this for your own sake.

Iv been working hard in the gym with that training ruetine and supplementing with mass building shakes and creatine , for the last 2 years .

It is simply not enough. You are too young to run a cycle. Put in some qaulity training and try again in few years.

But knowing 18 year olds you are most likely not gonna listen. and run it anyway.

so i will say the following

Run hcg on cycle from week 4 till pct. 500ius a week. pin twice weekly. last week before pct 1000uis that week.

Clomid and Nolva are needed for pct.
search site for this pct protocol.

then you can not run anap for 7 weeks. Only 4 weeks max. It is very liver toxic.

Also have liver support supplements when you doing this.

Pin everything twice a week to keep stable blood serum levels.

A cycle at a young age is not advised and i advise against this cycle. but it is up too you and should you run it either way please follow advice given here to ensure you run it as safely as possivle.

but again. Please listen to Oupa and MA. They know their stuff


edit : gear is a rabit hole. Once you start cycling you will continue to cycle to keep them gains.

also diet is critical. you need a 500 to 1000 caloric surplus a day or else you wont make gains at all. Food is what makes you grow

What is your height?

At 65kg I dont imagine you anywhere near fat. So if you have been training with sups for few years, good.
Keep going at it for a few more year, say 5... Sound like the end of time I know.. But its not, your 18, your body has atleast 3-4 more years of growth left. Its in the optimal state for building muscle, a state created by the man upstairs, a state older men try and replicate by making and using gear.
Your test level will be sky high, you dont need to shut down your balls to grow. You need to eat more my man, food is by far the most anabolic substance known to man when combined with training. Use that to grow, eat more and more and more. I garentee you dont know what 4000+ calories a day looks like. Its kicks every "hard gainers" ass right out the door.

Non of us can put a gun to your head and tell you to not use gear, but before you do, read more, learn everyday by reading up on what it does, how gear works, how and when to use etc, and by the time your body is ready for gear, you will know all there is to do it safe, and keep as much gains as possible.
You would also then know that if you do want to do a cycle, your proposed cycle is way, way off for a beginner.

Dont mean to be rude Bro, just trying to stop you from putting that gun to your own body.

Cheers

Thanks , I know I shouldn't take steroids , but if I do , it must be a proper cycle , so iv taken your advice and put this together:

1 - 10 |Test. |600mg weekly
1 - 4. |Dbol. |30mg Ed
7 - 10 | Winstrol | 45mg ED
3- 10 |Armidex. |0.25mg/E0D
4 - 10 |HCG. | 500ius weekly

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11. |HCG. | 1000iu
12 & 13|Nolva. |40mg/ed
12 & 13|Clomid. |100mg/ed
14 & 15|Nolva. |20mg/ed
14 & 15|Clomid. |50mg/ed

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:pinch: kids these days..

With all do respect , If everyone is against 18 year olds taking steroids then 18 year olds shouldn't be aloud to post in the "steriod section" on this site?

The reason everybody on here is against it is of several reasons.

1 your own test production is still sky high and you can still make great gains naturally.

2. your brain is developing. and there is shown that gear can mess things up a bit.

3. a cycle. propper diet is very expensive. and most 18year olds cant afford all this.

4. should something go wrong. your parents will blame it all on the gear. not the lack of education that came with deciding to use it and how to use it

5. gear can permanently damage your HPTA. meaning you may never be able to produce natural test again should your HPTA be damaged. and you will need to be on permanent HRT for a lifetime.

so that is just a few reasons.

You are most likely gonna go ahead. So lets keep it simple and amount of compounds minimum

Drop the Winstrol.
No need to take armidex daily. Only when needed and signs of gyno do appear. You need to monitor this.

HCG is fine.

Your pct needs work.
Search Threads for OUPA pct protocol.

So yes I advise against this cycle. But you will most likelu run it. So lets keep ot safe.

18 year olds with your attitude are not welcome on this site, so goodbye.

18 year old that are willing to listen are welcome, but those that don't respect their health can go somewhere else. This is a site promoting the safe use of AAS after all.

And if you spent any time actually wanting to educate yourself and came here and spoke about a low test only cycle and posted a good PCT "because you actually took time to read all the newbie" posts then this would have ended differently.

Ahh its so good to be back , I missed you guys

Firstly , I'd like to apologize for my impulsive post of a shocking cycling. Since I got banned , iv been spending most of my time reading and trying to improve my knowledge so this does not happen again.

From now till next year I want to focus less on steroid cycles and more on a diet plan as I just eat what ever is in the house

At the moment I'm 65kgs and 183cm tall , I'm working on getting a diet together and bulking up before I start a cycle next year.

Thanks to everyone who posted , this will not happen again !

At 65 kgs your still very light for your height. Get your diet and training up to scratch,because based on stats i can say most likely they are not, not to offend just to give you something to start with. and learn throughout and you will eventually be ready to cycle. not now. or even the next year or so.

at your height. reaching 90kgs clean should be feasible.

Open up a thread.. just post all the crap you can in it.. from weight used with what exercise for the day.. If you find you losing strength or you find you feeling a small irritation, start of a problematic injury that could haunt you for the rest of your training life.. put what you eating in there.. just constantly update it as much as you can.. This will be a great way to be guided in the right direction as you head towards using steroids for the first time .. be prepared to relearn everything you thought you knew.. another thing, we focus on bodybuilding not body destroying .. so if you smoking or drinking, I'm not going to waste my time helping you get ready for a cycle of steroids.. way to many side effects and you just looking for trouble if you not working on a healthy body.. and more so a healthy mind

90kgs ? I know its based on my height but I'm only 18 and pretty skinny at the moment I completely stopped training in august to focus on matric exams .

At the moment ill just do more research and focus on finals.

Ill commit the the body building lifestyle after rage

Thanks for the advice

Ok shoot me welcome to the forum brah my 2c too soon for you I would suggest, whey protein, creatine, amino's, fish oil and multivitamins with a hardcore bulk diet(googlethat). Good luck bro

Thanks lee , will do

What weekly dossage would a low dose of test be ?

250mg

Can I add a mild oral like Tbol or winny as a bridge , cause the waiting period for Test E is 30 days ? Then pct 1 ?

Muscleaddict wrote: 18 years old, 65Kg and you want to use steroids. :blink: If you were my buddy I would kick your lazy ass into next week. You are too young to use steroids. Hard work and consistancy builds a good body. You need some sense knocked into you bro, not advice on how to run a cycle. Please rethink this for your own sake.

I know I'm sorry

Seems like your "logic" is telling you that by doing mild this and mild that will make all the reasons the guys here suggested not using steroids ok. Just in case your wondering, it won't.

You can't even create a good enough diet to make gains. I suppose we could call that a mild diet plan.

Listen to what these guys are telling you for your own benefit.