Ectomorph Cycle - Bulking - Advice Needed.

History
4 Cycles - test e, deca, gh. Bulk and Cut

Ectomporh Stats

Age = 33

Weight = 73kg

Waist = 29cm

Height = 1.82m

BMR = 1750 at rest.

Moderate Activity BMR = 2400

Correct me if i am wrong here?

Diet for Bulk

Adding 600 more calories to round off to 3000. Comment?

6 to 8 meals.

3 meals = 40% carbs + 60% Proteins

3 meals = 40% healthy fats + 60% proteins.

Spinach and Brocolli with every meal.

ON Protein shakes for Post Workout.

Should i implement an ON Mass gainer PWO? Advise?

Cycle

1 - 4 Anaps @ 50mg ED
1 - 12 test cyp 250mg p/w
1 - 12 tren ace 200mg p/w
5 – 12 anavar 60mg p/d

4 - 12 hcg 250iu x 2 p/w

4 to 12 - arimidex eod

If you feel i should add another compound? Please advise why?

PCT will be PCT 3, but not sure on exact week to start and if there is sometime between cycle and PCT? How about a bridge? IF so what will work?

Cutting diet to prep for this bulk diet + routine.

6 Months on and off, keto or low carb diet. Dropped from 84 kgs to 73 kgs, 32 waist to 28 waist.



Strength the same, but fat is down - abs now show, v lines prominent but i'm sure i lost some muscle.

Very high protein diet and healthy fats with plenty of greens.

Like i said keep the ectomorph frame in your mind.

To give you an idea - due to my lanky arms, i have since had to stop bench as i could not bring the bar all the way down, swopped to dumb bell press however my skinny wrists would suffer at 40kgs so now i use the machine, oddly i have gained muscle with the machines.

With the fat loss, i can now do chest dips with 2x 20 kg plates tied to the waist. No carbs and my energy levels r up, could be the bulletproof coffee? I stopped pre workouts now.

Please advise or ask questions.

I would run the Anavar as the bridge. So run from week 8-15 at 60mg a day. The bridge is quite long on Test E/Test C so you want to stay anabolic as to not sacrifice any of your gains.. Also run the HCG from week 4 until a day or two before you start your PCT.

Also I think you should increase your Test to 400mg a week if you are wanting to bulk as you say. Any thoughts on that? The Test will take a while before it kicks in, so I would start the Tren at week 3 and end at week 11.. But its up to you.

Can do that.

Just assumed the tren would be enough - considering my current body frame.

Should i bump the anavar to 100mg?

Should i run winny while on my current diet to shred more in anticipation of the above bulk cycle?

Say 3 or 4 week, pre cycle - clen, yohumbine and winny ...

i did not add winny as it would need a pct, but considering i'm going into a bulk cycle well? Makes sense to cut proper while i can?

This is how I would run the cycle:

1-12 Test E 400mg/week
1-4 Anap 50mg/day or Dbol 30mg/day
3-13 Tren A 200mg/week
8-15 Anavar 60mg/day
11-15 Clen 40mcg-80mcg

4-15 HCG 500iu/week (250iu twice a week)
Start PCT two days after anavar.

You don't need anavar at 100mg at your weight. 60 should be the sweet spot IMO.
I don't see why you want to get cut before you start a bulking cycle? Rather just add clen with the anavar during your bridge to "Clean up" gains a bit.

What Brand of gear will you be using?

Bro in ur stats u haven't mentioned ur body fat ?
Ja bro I agree with wizzard do anavar in your birder personally I would do winny but that's a personal choice maybe add some provrion in the bridge...I would start Hcg from week 2 considering tren A is a short Ester but u can start from week 4 as well

Wait sorry never read the anap part never mind start Hcg from week 4 like wizzard mentioned

Thanks Wizzard,

Why Test E over Cyp - i assumed a shorter ester would fit with tren ace's short ester? Can you advise?

Cause of my body frame, at a 28 waist, bulking adds fat quick on the stomach. I want to have a proper defined 6 pack, so when i do bulk, then i can monitor the fat accumulation. At the moment i reckon i'm at 10%. Another clen cycle and keto should take me to 8% in a month.

That's a pretty low clen dosage? My body handles it too well, can do 120mcg a day, even 140mcg is fine but i stay on 120mcg to be safe.

Hello Lex,

I'd say 10%. Abs and v lines visible. I'll probably get to 8% by the time i start the cycle. Would like to add GH prior to cycle to speed up the fat loss.

Cool, will consider the winny.

Test Cyp has a slower release than Test Enth, so I don't know what you have been reading about Test Cyp haha.. And as I wrote, Tren is started in the 3rd week which gives the Test time to kick in a bit.

You must run the Clen how ever it works for your during a bridge. I based the clen dosage the same as I use it because I dont handle a high dose very well. If you do, then run it lat the dosage you normally do.

Also, forgot to mention in the cycle layout - have Caber and AI on hand just incase.

lol my bad, i tried sus first cycle but the pain was unbearable. Test e usually, thought cyp would be quicker. So will go with the test e.

Keep a log for the cycle. Will be interested to follow

just saw something here

There is minimum difference between cyp and test E , one does not have a advantage over the other

Cyp has less injection pain than test E

Test E is 1 carbon easter lighter than cyp
Test E (8
Test cyp (9)

There is a difference in the half life and time till pct when in comes to test cyp and test E

Cyp = 12 days half-life - 36days pct
Test e = 8 - 10 days half-life - 30days pct

Strange - i run my test e under the hot water tap for 10 mins with the syringe and i can guarantee you it's painless. Try it. So cyp is less painful. I'd like to try that.

You can hold the syringe in your hand for 2min and let your body do the warming up , works the same

Can i get some advice on my BMR? With a 90 minute Gym session? 2400 calories?

Hay bud

Just a tip , when bulking you need more calories than you are using during the day so that you grow muscle in stead of just maintain muscle , consume +500 calories more than maintenance

As your weight increases with the diet , sou should your calories increase to keep feeding the muscle to grow , workout out your BMR every 4kg you gain

In the end of the day all these formulas are going to give you a ball park figure or a point to start at. The only way to find out is with practice when your weight is exacataly the same for 2 weeks straight empty first thing in th morning you no your at maintenance.
For example I maintain at 3800 cals but if I follow any of those formulas even at 1.55 I'm under and loose so to be accurate you need to find your maintenance cals before you decide to either bulk or cut because you want to cut on as many cals as possible while still dropping weight and to bulk you want to grow without gaining to much fat and the only way you'll ever do that optimally is by knowing what you maintain on and learning how YOUR body works.

Thanks for the advice

So my maintenance is roughly ~ 1800.

With my gym activities added calories come to 2400.

I'm still cutting, so as you say test? I'll stick at 2000 calories a day and see if i gain or lose weight ...

Ye stick at 2000cals stricktly for a week and weigh yourself every morning after you've had a dump naked. It's the only way to find out your maintenance.
Write down your weight every morning and you'll find out quickly where you are
And it will make life so much easier and you'll be able to adjust your diet optimumly.

If your not regular have a Tspoon of psyllium husks in the evening for the fibre

Great - will do.

Can you advise on mass gainers - like ON?

For PWO only? That will tip the scales on my calories. Or should i just stick to whole foods PWO?

Don't use mass gainers they are shit, Just mix whey with dextrose/glucose powder for post workout. That way you now how much protein and quick digesting carbs your getting. I like a 50/50% split

So before i buy my gear? Any last tweaks?

I'll be doing this - is this a good bulk? What can i add and why?

1-12 Test E 400mg/week
1-4 Anap 50mg/day or Dbol 30mg/day
3-13 Tren A 200mg/week
8-15 Anavar 60mg/day or 80mg or 100mg?

Bridge
11-15 Clen 120mcg or / CYX3 by Axiolabs? Can i add winny?



4-15 HCG 500iu/week (250iu twice a week)


Start PCT 3 two days after anavar.

You can add cabasser as an ancillary For prolactin related sides from the tren. Also a good idea if fertility is important to you

Shot - my supplier uses tren, but never heard of cabaser.

Is there another name? Is it pharma script needed? or underground labs as well?

What will be the cabaser schedule? And arimidex as i will be adding that as well. HCG with HGH speeds up estro i noticed.

What Brand of gear will you be using bud?