Extending cycle advice

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16 Mar 2015 17:39 #182958 by Mfezdro
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Hey all

A bit of advice please. I'm in the middle (week 5) of a cycle as follows:
Weeks 1-10 - 1ml each of Equi 350, Masteron 150 and Test En 250
Weeks 11-12 - 1ml Test En 250 plus HCG
5 week bridge witH OT plus HCG( 4 weeks only)
Nolva and Clomid PCT

I have a few injectable cycles under my belt but nothing longer than 12 weeks.
It seems a serious waste to toss the balance of the second bottle of test. So I'm thinking of extending the cycle as follows:
As above but weeks 11-15 1ml Test En 250 and 2ml Masteron 150 per week plus HCG.
Same clearing period with OT and same PCT.

My previous test and masteron cycle went really well and I'm pretty confident that at these dosages I shouldn't have any problems with sides. What are your thoughts about running an effective 15 week cycle at those dosages?
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16 Mar 2015 17:53 #182962 by Pyroclasm
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Your dosages are really low! Why is this?

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16 Mar 2015 18:03 #182964 by Mfezdro
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I'm in my early 40's. My goal is moderate gain of lean body mass with the least sides at the lowest possible doses. I also do combat sports so weight and big size gain is a problem for me.

The test is low as I am prone to sides and bloat and the primary effect I'm looking for is from the Eq and Mast.

The cycle is 750mg/week. Not really that low in total, I try to stay under 800mg/ week on my cycles as far as possible, it's what works for me.

Thanks

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16 Mar 2015 20:00 #182982 by Oupiel
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Mfezdro wrote: it's what works for me.


Please can you elaborate - Cos I'm curious.

At those doses, how much have you gained in the past?
How much of the gains did you keep?
How much have you gained in the last 5 weeks?

Serious, I'm not sniping, I'm keen to know.

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16 Mar 2015 20:10 - 16 Mar 2015 20:27 #182984 by p1et
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You cant add up the mg of different compounds and say its 750. The test dose your running is very low as in trt low. The other two are both also low dosages. Dont think its worth messing up your endocrine system for those dosages.

Sorry dont meen to sound like an ass. But its the truth.
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16 Mar 2015 21:33 #182994 by Pyroclasm
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Mfezdro wrote: I'm in my early 40's. My goal is moderate gain of lean body mass with the least sides at the lowest possible doses. I also do combat sports so weight and big size gain is a problem for me.

The test is low as I am prone to sides and bloat and the primary effect I'm looking for is from the Eq and Mast.

The cycle is 750mg/week. Not really that low in total, I try to stay under 800mg/ week on my cycles as far as possible, it's what works for me.

Thanks


This is not how this works. You can use 10 different compounds all at these low doses and be at 2g per week and still not see any real results, versus jutst using Test at 750mg per week and getting super results! Rather use one compound optimally than 5 compounds badly. If you get bloat and sides from test then use an AI, pin frequently and most of these sides should disappear.

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16 Mar 2015 21:46 #182996 by Mason Might
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Try supertest 320 pinning M,W,F

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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16 Mar 2015 21:53 - 16 Mar 2015 21:54 #183000 by Oupa
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Mfezdro wrote: I'm in my early 40's. My goal is moderate gain of lean body mass with the least sides at the lowest possible doses. I also do combat sports so weight and big size gain is a problem for me.

The test is low as I am prone to sides and bloat and the primary effect I'm looking for is from the Eq and Mast.

The cycle is 750mg/week. Not really that low in total, I try to stay under 800mg/ week on my cycles as far as possible, it's what works for me.

Thanks


Good cycle for your goals and requirements.

I would use 250mg test e, 300mg Masteron E and 350mg eq per week.
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17 Mar 2015 10:03 #183005 by Oupiel
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I promise I'm not stirring, nor trying to pit Mod against Mod.
But I am curious - Pyro's view & Oupa's view are different.
Maybe from a strictly bodybuilding PoV - Pyro is more right?
Maybe from a Performance enhanced athlete with a taste for some muscle - Oupa is more right?

In light of TRT doses, 250mg test/week is high and would in all likelihood put you way above "Normal" test levels; hence, even if that dose shuts natural test down, you'd still be a lot above "normal" levels.

And it would help maintain all your normal functions, libido, mood, energy, etc, etc.
Do the other compounds also bind to the same androgen receptors in the cells???
If so, then they would also have an effect; hence my question about actual gains made and kept by Mfezdro.

Maybe there is room for low dose cycles for performance entrancement, when size at all costs is not the main goal?

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17 Mar 2015 11:18 #183017 by Oupa
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There will never be a mod vs mod, who is right and who is wrong fight. This is a bodybuilding forum, but it has also developed into supporting correct usage of steroids on all grounds & sports.

I have done what he wants to do and it works for what he wants to achieve. I have also ran the other size of what Pyro suggested and its not recommended if you have to stay in weight classes for specific sports UNLESS your in off season adding some mass.
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17 Mar 2015 13:46 #183029 by Mfezdro
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Thanks for the comments. No offence taken but I just need to emphasise that my goals are not necessarily the same as yours might be. I am not a bodybuilder. I use AAS to assist with power and athleticism in my training as well as recovery.

Firstly 250mg/week is way above TRT dose which is normally in the range of 80-100mg/week depending on how hard you twist your doctors arm. And no, it is not the truth that I am "messing up my endocrine system". I wouldn't do it if I was. I have always run low test dosages and after my last cycle my bloods, tested at Ampath, came back perfectly within range. That was 250mg test and 300mg Masteron for 10 weeks. 250mg test/week is far more than your body produces naturally.

Secondly I am only adding the test to keep my sytem running optimally. The response I want is from the Eq and Mast, not the test. I'm not sure why that is such an issue for people to understand.
I have never done Test higher than 500mg/week. I do not tolerate it well and pick up too much weight and sides.

Lastly, I'm looking for advice on extending my cycle. Just as I don't judge someone for doing what I consider something stupid like 1000mg of test/week or bombing tren and anaps, I expect the same consideration for my choice. My question was not about my dosages or products which I have decided on. It was what the general thoughts were about extending my cycle for another 5 weeks. I would still appreciate those comments.

Thanks Oupa, in fact I saw my cycle is very similar to your Crossfit sample cycle, which is positive, as that "athletic" effect is pretty much what I am after and close to what I achieved last cycle. I'm interested to see the effect of the added Eq.

@Oupiel. For my goals I am very happy with results. I don't like high test cycles at all. My results on my last Test/mast cycle were great. I started cycle at 96kgs, picked up to 103 and ended on just under 99kg's. My strength was great and overall I felt fantastic to be honest. One of the best cycles I have done. I was as lean as I have ever been and had no training injuries at all, which is unusual for me. I recovered 100% and felt fine all through clearing and PCT and had no "bad month" or two after cycle at all. Was very smooth. My training went well, I found I didn't lose any cardio which can be an issue, strength was good and noticeable to training partners but not too obvious that I was asked awkward questions.

I did lose some definition and that Masteron dryness, whch is great, about 3 weeks after the cycle, but overall stayed on track. Again, if you are looking for big gain and mass, then this is not the way to go. Comes down to personal goals and your risk vs reward appetite I suppose.

Cheers

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17 Mar 2015 14:24 #183032 by Oupiel
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Oupa wrote: This is a bodybuilding forum, but it has also developed into supporting correct usage of steroids on all grounds & sports.


This site is one of the best resources I have found for info re. AAS.
And I appreciate that it's primarily focused on bodybuilding (that was my into to training)

As you say, it has evolved into a safe usage site too.

Is there maybe room for / a need for some different forum sections?

TRT - for those that want normal test, not normal for a 50 year old!
Performance enhancing - strength, endurance, recovey, etc. for other sports / activities

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