Help with first cyle

Good day gents,

To start off i'm also new to this. I've been reading your forum non stop for the last few days. My qeustion is if I look at your sample cycle for beginners

(Cycle:
2x PGW Testocyp (250mg x 10ml)
2x LP Dianabol (10mg x 50)
1x Optional anti-estrogen (Arimidex or Letrozole)

PCT:
1x LP HCG 5000iu
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

Can I follow it exactly as laid out? Should I make changes?

To give u some info

Age 27
Height 1.86
Weight 94kg
Body fat below 20 percent

Gym 5 times a week resting Sat and Sunday. I'm currently not dieting cause ive got another 2 weeks to go before my hands cast comes off. Fell with my offroad. My plan is to go back to the gym for atleast 4-6 weeks (depending on my hand) and then to start with the above mentioned cycle.

Any advice would be appreciated as ive mentioned ive never done this. been gyming the last 7 years on and off. The last year much more serious than previously untill my mishap with the CR.

You can run it like that.

I would only change the hcg to on cycle instead of PCT, you will find a lot on this in the search function and consider a bridge.

Gooday & welcome mate,

I think that hand might slow you down longer than you hoped
If it does, just chillax and give it time to recover before you go tear it a new one cos you in a hurry.

It's not like your Olympics or world cup is in 3 months.

Use the time to get your eating sorted, not just a plan, but actually getting it right consistently.

You are still training around the hand, aren't you?
Your calves should be super awesome by now
And you should be super fit.

Re. your planned cycle - I assume you are looking to bulk?

@MM I saw what you said previously about the HCG so would definately do it like that.

@ Oupiel Lol, ja was doing basic legs and some cycling nothing hectic cause of the fear that the stinch will get unbearable(The cast) . I'll def give the hand proper time to recover and set like u said im not training for a comp or olympics. In the meantime I'll be reading daily to gather as much info as possible. As soon as im 100 percent with the hand I'll start asking about the cycles and soforth. My diet dont seem to be a problem of late im lucky cause my wife is training just as hard and some days I wish she wasnt as strict with the diet.. Lol
Thanks for the advice its deeply appreciated and well talk again soon. In the meantime i'll be reading and taking notes.

Yes and Im def planning to add some proper muscle mass.

JHHannes wrote: Yes and Im def planning to add some proper muscle mass.

The only thing I would change apart from the aforementioned HCG change is making the "optional anti-estrogen" a "compulsory anti-estrogen". Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. You don't want to be stuck with gyno if you're sensitive and you can always use it in bigger cycles in the future.

Hey Hormonas,

Yup wasnt even considering going on the cycle without the anti estrogen in my posession. It seems some guys say only use it when needed as where others say use it from the get go. Some info on this would be appreciated.

Hey JHHannes,

Welcome to the forum bro.
You a big guy so an AI is vital if you gyno prone at all.
Looking forward to following your progress.

If there is one thing I have learnt on here it is that there is never a silly question. We here to help each other.

Nate

Nate40 wrote: Hey JHHannes,

Welcome to the forum bro.
You a big guy so an AI is vital if you gyno prone at all.
Looking forward to following your progress.

If there is one thing I have learnt on here it is that there is never a silly question. We here to help each other.

Nate

Thank you I realy appreciate it. Will let you guys know as soon as I'm going to get the stuff. Just waiting for the hand to recover properly and then I'll share my plan and diet. Ask some qeustions, get some feedback and help from experienced guys. Post some before photos and keep u guys posted about my progress. Feeling like a kid the day before christmas!!! :woohoo:

JHHannes wrote: Hey Hormonas,

Yup wasnt even considering going on the cycle without the anti estrogen in my posession. It seems some guys say only use it when needed as where others say use it from the get go. Some info on this would be appreciated.

I would simply keep it at hand for your first cycle. You may not be estrogen sensitive and you will never know unless you go without an AI for a little while. This is why first cycles tend to be lower dosed so that sides can be monitored. I suggest Arimidex because it is faster to kick in than Letrozole and it is not as harsh. Unfortunately, since everyone is different, it is a game of trial and error but the goal is to not let the 'error' be too big

Hormonas wrote:

JHHannes wrote: Hey Hormonas,

I would simply keep it at hand for your first cycle. You may not be estrogen sensitive and you will never know unless you go without an AI for a little while. This is why first cycles tend to be lower dosed so that sides can be monitored. I suggest Arimidex because it is faster to kick in than Letrozole and it is not as harsh. Unfortunately, since everyone is different, it is a game of trial and error but the goal is to not let the 'error' be too big

Cool, makes sense. Will make sure i've got everything at hand before considering going forward. I've used some over the counter testo products in the past (I realise its not nearly as potent as test cyp) but could it be possible to get some sides on those type of stuff?

Cool, makes sense. Will make sure i've got everything at hand before considering going forward. I've used some over the counter testo products in the past (I realise its not nearly as potent as test cyp) but could it be possible to get some sides on those type of stuff?

Cool, makes sense. Will make sure i've got everything at hand before considering going forward. I've used some over the counter testo products in the past (I realise its not nearly as potent as test cyp) but could it be possible to get some sides on those type of stuff?

In short - no I do not think you can get side effects from over the counter testo boosters.


Although I have never taken them, I can tell you that they are generally just a bunch of herbs that are thrown into a pill and you are told that they work. Tribulus, maca, horny goat weed etc are a bunch of rubbish sold to the masses for profit (unfortunately) and they only work through placebo.

A study (I will try to find the link) proved that DHEA worked in elderly men and for menopausal women but I don't think you fall under that category Zinc, Quercitin and Grape Seed Extract may protect your natural testosterone levels, but again, you wont see side effects even if that is true.

Yeh totally hear you. It felt like Christmas when I got my first cycle too. Just be responsible and cover all the bases, and it will be the best present you ever get.

Nate

JHHannes wrote: Cool, makes sense. Will make sure i've got everything at hand before considering going forward. I've used some over the counter testo products in the past (I realise its not nearly as potent as test cyp) but could it be possible to get some sides on those type of stuff?

OTC test boosters are useless on cycle bro... You can get some benefits from D-Aspartic Acid (one of the few that are proven to have an affect), but do it post PCT IMO (or even in PCT). It needs to be cycled though.

@ Hormonas, thats what I thought was just curious. Thanks for your input.

@ Nate, I'll definately be responsible I dont want to end up like your average Dick and Harry. Health is my most important issue so I uderstand that what I want to do is dangerous but if done correctly and tracked properly you can minimize negative sides.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are spot on bro. Digging your approach.
If you pay attention to the pros on here your life will change for the better to the point where you don't recognize your old self.
This website was a chance for me to evolve and grow. Each day one step at a time.

Thanks guys. Much appreciated. I'm addicted to this forum!