2 Knee Operations Recovery Advice Please

Hi everyone,

I recently an accident and suffered extensive damage to both my knees. Both my ACL's, MCL, cartilage and meniscuses were torn/ruptured/damaged as well as some other damage. My Orthopedic Surgeon decided to only operate on one knee at a time, and requires that the knee is just about fully recovered and rehabed before operating on the other.

The Left knee was done about 6 weeks ago and rehab is very slow, annoying and painful. I probably have around another 12 - 16 weeks (at least if not more) before the right knee gets done.

I have a question and I fear it may be labeled as ridiculous or stupid but I am going to ask it anyway so that I don't end up doing something uninformed and stupid :dry:

I quite obviously want to heal up as quickly as possible and get back into full blown training.

So my question is this:

I have a whole bunch of Primo, Cyp, Masteron (All PGW), Anavar, Proviron, Oral Primo (All LP) left over from my previous cycle which I had to cut short due to a big about 6 weeks into the cycle. (I know, luck is not on my side :S )

I also have some NPP and some Equi (PGW) that I never used.

My last cycle (the one that was cut short ended in March and I did a full PCT 3 (Just in case)

DO you think running a light dose of any of what I have on hand will benefit me and help speed up the recovery process? Or is there anything else (HGH aside) that you would recommend that could help speed things up? Lets say my next op will be in March roughly.

Or do I just have to wait this one out and wait until roughly a year from now before I can train properly. Please for the love of all things tell me there is another option.

Senior members I would really value your insight. Even if it's just to tell me to shut the hell up and wait :pinch:

but preferably you'd give me a bit more positive feedback

Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Both knees! A mate of rate is also recovering from knee surgery (ACL, MCL & meniscus). I'm sure you've read about deca, EQ and anavar helping with recovery to tendons, but nothing will come close to HGH in my opinion. TB500, IGF1+MGF and will also speed things up but if I was you I would just get some HGH and do 20-40mg anavar per day.

Thank you so much MA. I'll order some HGH and start with the Anavar immediately. So no value in throwing in that NPP or EQ? Just HGH and Var?

And do you think 3IU of UG lab HGH is enough or should I go to 5iu?

I have access to Nomatropin which I will get tonight but I'll put in an order for some Keifei tomorrow.

Quick off topic question: Just a quick question, my Keifei HGH gets delivered via a courier and is not kept cold. How much of an issue is this?

MA? If you get a gap

Thanks as always

MA may I ask why you wouldn't run EQ and a TRT dose Test with the HGH and Anavar?

Sorry, been a busy day and answering this on my phone would drive me crazy.

HGH is the most effective, safest drug for an injury like this and adding a whole lot of compounds on top of that is not going to be much more beneficial. Yes EQ, nandrolone and primo all increase collagen synthesis, but that doesn't mean it's best to take them all. Tendon, cartilage and ligament recovery is complex shit.

I'm aware that on most steroids forums you'd probably be advised to take the HGH with some deca or EQ and throw in the var and whatever else. It's the nature of seasoned steroid users to take as much shit to get the job done fast. We don't have the FACTS on EQ. We just know it's the best roid for boosting collagen synthesis. That doesn't equal best recovery. Animal studies in some cases have actually shown tendon healing on nandrolone to be slower than without it despite the increase in collagen synthesis.

With a very complex injury like this I would go with what is known to work best out of what it easily available. HGH will make a massive difference and var even at 20mg is super mild but effective.

My 5c. Use it, lose it, up to you.

I would also opt for HGH @ 4iu and low dose var like MA suggested. I know cause I have seen it work personally. I added IGF @ 50mcg mornings, 2 weeks on/off for 3 sessions and recovery was very successful

Thank you so much for all the help guys. I really appreciate it. I will go with the advice as of today.

Just to avoid starting a new thread, my question about my Keifei HGH coming via courier? It is not kept cold. Is this a problem?

MA and Oupa Thank you once again You guys are legends.

FYI - I was in my local VA last night and a PT that I chat to every now and then saw me in my knee brace so I asked him what I should take. His response "gooi some Deca without any test at a light dose and you'll be fixed up in a few weeks" - Because Bro science :woohoo: :blink: :dry:

ninjajuice wrote:
FYI - I was in my local VA last night and a PT that I chat to every now and then saw me in my knee brace so I asked him what I should take. His response "gooi some Deca without any test at a light dose and you'll be fixed up in a few weeks" - Because Bro science :woohoo: :blink: :dry:

ninjajuice wrote: Just to avoid starting a new thread, my question about my Keifei HGH coming via courier? It is not kept cold. Is this a problem?

A few days at room temperature for unconstituted HGH is no problem.

Okay so I am clearly SUPER prone to gyno I am starting to get a little lump under my right nipple at 40mg of VAR a day. I have both Adex and Letro on hand. Oupa and MA what dose would you recommend to bring it under control?

And what PCT should I run after I'm done with the 8 or so weeks of the var?

Once again I appreciate the help, thank you

ninjajuice wrote: Okay so I am clearly SUPER prone to gyno I am starting to get a little lump under my right nipple at 40mg of VAR a day. I have both Adex and Letro on hand. Oupa and MA what dose would you recommend to bring it under control?

And what PCT should I run after I'm done with the 8 or so weeks of the var?

Once again I appreciate the help, thank you

Is this a Var only cycle? No way that var can cause gyno or not from what I have read or researched.

Fakey_AK wrote:

ninjajuice wrote: Okay so I am clearly SUPER prone to gyno I am starting to get a little lump under my right nipple at 40mg of VAR a day. I have both Adex and Letro on hand. Oupa and MA what dose would you recommend to bring it under control?

And what PCT should I run after I'm done with the 8 or so weeks of the var?

Once again I appreciate the help, thank you

Is this a Var only cycle? No way that var can cause gyno or not from what I have read or researched.

100% Var only. FML?!?!?! Then I don't know what is causing the lump under the nipple and sensitivity?

It's LP VAR

Are you using HCG at the moment?

either way if it is gyno start with kessar to block the receptors so long and arimidex maybe at .50mg ed but that might be overkill. is the nipple sore, swollen, ithcy?

I'm not using any HCG currently. The nipple has a small lump underneath and hurts if I apply pressure to it. It is only on the right side. Which is also weird since it usually flares up on the left first (with my other cycles)

Then i honestly don't know bud, I'm just as buffled now.

Sjees I am also shaken. Gyno from LP Var. No man something is amiss here. Only Anavar? What dose? No Prov?

If you are only on Var and do not have an Androgen base that could be the issue.

Don't run it without test. Gyno is caused by an androgen:female hormone imbalance. The anavar has probably dropped your test levels by 40% but estrogen has not dropped so you are getting gyno. If you don't want to add test then run a low dose of any AI.

@ MA.

Am I wrong in saying Proviron can also ad needed Androgen? I no test is prefered though.

Yes but it depends how big the hormonal imbalance is. It's a bit tricky with proviron. 40mg of var will not shut down test production completely so test is not essential, but in most cycles test should always be used.

Thanks MA. I should've known better and run it with test. I'm learning as I go along. I'm going to do a PCT and then run VAR and Prop after my next op which is now in Jan.

PCT 1 good enough for this?

Hey guys,

I have finally had both operations and am just about ready to get back into training. I have had many people tell me that Deca or NPP would be ideal for helping me reach full recovery quicker.

I can only really use my upper body at this point but should be able to squat in about 3 weeks. Should I go back to HGH and anavar plus test or should I do a decc/NPP/Equi cycle? The main purpose would be to speed up recovery and help my tendons strengthen.

What I don't want is for the muscles to gain too much strength too quickly and then I end up ruining my tendons AGAIN. Basically I am impatient. I haven't been able to train for over 7 months and I am sick of waiting.

In short, what cycle will assist with healing my joints without risking another tear. I'm happy to use ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Cost isn't really an issue at this point.

Hope this makes sense

Don't overdo the steroids. They will speed up healing for sure. But post cycle you will be more prone to injuring your knees again because collagen synthesis will be decreased when you come off the gear. I've seen 2 studies on animals that confirm this. The trick is to find the right balance. HGH and anavar is an all around safer option.

Thanks once again MA. So I have some Anavar, HGH and Test Cyp. How would you suggest I run it?

What HGH is it?