Drop to <10% BF advice

Noob needing the help of the experienced forumites, please.

My current stats are 1.72m, 70Kg, 12% BF. Been eating low carb, cal restricted for quite a while (with the resultant suppressive effect on T3. TSH and T4 normal, T3 very low - classic ESS.)

I would like to see if I can drop to sub-10% BF in the next 6 weeks. How to do it most effectively is the question.

I acquired the following:

1. Yohimbine HCL - As an Alpha-2 antagonist
2. Clen - As a Beta-2 agonist
3. T3 - my Free T3 is already very low though I don't feel any of the typical 'hypo' symptoms.

My question is how best to 'stack' them, if at all.

I've seen many options discussed here:

1. Do I do run Clen and Yoh 2 weeks alternatively? If so, what dosages?
2. Do I run them concurrently? ditto.
3. Do I add T3 to the mix and, if so, how?
4. Etc.

Basically, what would you guys do with these substances to drop that next 2 or 3% BF in a month and a half?

From my understanding of the receptors, I can hit the Alpha and Beta receptors at the same time. Does this make sense and would it give a synergistic effect?

I read a lot here about bad experiences with T3 but at what levels were those? would adding 20mg to the above clen/Yoh combo be effective?

As you can see, I need some guidance, any help will really be appreciated!

Anyone?

I have never dabbled with T3 and would prefer to keep it that way for now - so my knowledge on that is rather limited.

However Clen + Yohimbine being run together is fantastic, they have great synergistic effects.
There is an official thread for clen and Furk tried to start one for Yohimbine as well.

Here we go:
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabolic-...buterol?limitstart=0
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-supplemen...mbine-general#191166

Have a read through those two threads. There is PLENTY of into on this forum already and majority of subjects have been discussed already so next time search before creating a new post - only create a new thread if you really feel the need to

Good luck.

Thanks,

I did read through everything I could find. Pretty anti- "asking before researching" myself, TBH. Will check those threads though.

Lyle Mcdonald talks about 0.2mg of Yom per Kg. That puts me at about 14mg. Does that dosage makes sense?

PsyCLown wrote: I have never dabbled with T3 and would prefer to keep it that way for now - so my knowledge on that is rather limited.

However Clen + Yohimbine being run together is fantastic, they have great synergistic effects.
There is an official thread for clen and Furk tried to start one for Yohimbine as well.

Here we go:
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabolic-...buterol?limitstart=0
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-supplemen...mbine-general#191166

Have a read through those two threads. There is PLENTY of into on this forum already and majority of subjects have been discussed already so next time search before creating a new post - only create a new thread if you really feel the need to

Good luck.

OK, somehow did not find those threads when I searched. Will read through them first, tx!

Unless I can ask one question here?

Running Yoh+Clen concurrently is definitely the answer, what is the definitive answer on cycle-duration? While most people say 2-on / 2-off, seems some are running 6 weeks? Are peeps running 6 weeks with the yoh+clen stack?

Klos wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: I have never dabbled with T3 and would prefer to keep it that way for now - so my knowledge on that is rather limited.

However Clen + Yohimbine being run together is fantastic, they have great synergistic effects.
There is an official thread for clen and Furk tried to start one for Yohimbine as well.

Here we go:
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabolic-...buterol?limitstart=0
anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-supplemen...mbine-general#191166

Have a read through those two threads. There is PLENTY of into on this forum already and majority of subjects have been discussed already so next time search before creating a new post - only create a new thread if you really feel the need to

Good luck.

OK, somehow did not find those threads when I searched. Will read through them first, tx!

Unless I can ask one question here?

Running Yoh+Clen concurrently is definitely the answer, what is the definitive answer on cycle-duration? While most people say 2-on / 2-off, seems some are running 6 weeks? Are peeps running 6 weeks with the yoh+clen stack?

When I tried some clen I ran it for longer than 2 weeks and I just made use of Beta-Sleep at first, until I was able to source some ketotifen.

As long as you are able to keep your receptors up-regulated, I would imagine you'd get better results from constant use as opposed to 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

May I ask your age or have you checked your testosterone levels? How does your current daily diet look, i.e. Meal frequency, timing and meal proportions. How much is your calorie deficit? Just a couple of random quick questions that I can think of.
Cheers

8teros wrote: May I ask your age or have you checked your testosterone levels? How does your current daily diet look, i.e. Meal frequency, timing and meal proportions. How much is your calorie deficit? Just a couple of random quick questions that I can think of.
Cheers

Test in the upper 90% percentile for my age group (50+), diet is about 60% fat, 30% protein (~1.8g/Kg), 10% carbs. Meal frequency is variable except after training when I'll eat within 30 minutes with 20 to 30g protein. Rest of the time I'll eat when hungry. Typically do cardio fasted, first thing in the morning, weight training late afternoon.

Calorie deficit typically about 300 to 400 from diet but often another 700 to 1000 from training on top of that.

Maybe someone else can also comment on this, but just be careful that your calorie deficit is not too much. The rule of thumb is about 500kCal. If you go too low you may start to slow down your metabolism and that could make it harder to loose. Some other advice that I have seen is that if your are on a low carb diet you may need a high carb day once a week or so. The reasoning is that this will give your metabolism a boost. Alternatively you could try carb cycling. Personally I do not do well on a very low carb diet for an extended period of time. Maybe you could do a bit of an experiment?! Hope it helps. Cheers

8teros wrote: Maybe someone else can also comment on this, but just be careful that your calorie deficit is not too much. The rule of thumb is about 500kCal. If you go too low you may start to slow down your metabolism and that could make it harder to loose. Some other advice that I have seen is that if your are on a low carb diet you may need a high carb day once a week or so. The reasoning is that this will give your metabolism a boost. Alternatively you could try carb cycling. Personally I do not do well on a very low carb diet for an extended period of time. Maybe you could do a bit of an experiment?! Hope it helps. Cheers

I do make sure a re-feed day or two are in the mix but my Free T3 levels are indeed very low due to the prolonged LC diet. I do suspect that my metabolism have adjusted down over the years as I have been eating this way for quite some time. Mostly I'm just not hungry which helps a lot with getting up and doing cardio fasted. After gym I do eat, even if I'm not hungry.

Funny thing is I don't feel any of the typical hypo symptoms, lack of energy, etc. Been thinking on ways to drive it up and thus I acquired (but not yet used) T3. But I suspect the 'normal range of T3 were derived from someone on your standard SAD diet and those on LC diets will see lower levels. (And often increased LDL.)

Would be interesting to hear if anyone on the board have seen a similar drop in T3 with prolonged keto diets? Lyle McDonald talks about it quite a bit (ESS - Euthyroid Stress Syndrome) and it perfectly fits what I see.

Hi Klos.

My advice would be to enlist the help of a DR/Spesialis/Endocrinologist. Do blood tests to confirm your t3 is low.

I have seen a couple of my friends play with t3 and they are still trying to recover from that.
Unless you are an advanced user steer clear of using t3 without the help of an expert you might end up bring dependant on it for life...

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi Klos.

My advice would be to enlist the help of a DR/Spesialis/Endocrinologist. Do blood tests to confirm your t3 is low.

I have seen a couple of my friends play with t3 and they are still trying to recover from that.
Unless you are an advanced user steer clear of using t3 without the help of an expert you might end up bring dependant on it for life...

Thanks for the feedback. Consider me scare sh**less to try T3.

Did the blood work and it is off the bottom of the chart. T4 and TSH normal. (Check out Euthyroid Sick Syndrome ).

TBH, I'm not too fazed about it as I feel and perform well so will avoid it for now. But my doc is quite willing to prescribe T3.

Think I'll run a Clen + Yoh stack for a few weeks and then reassess. don't want to disappear up my own arse.