Primobolan / Proviron Stack - 1st Cycle Feedback

After the kind assistance and input from the brains/experienced on this forum, I started my first cycle on the 20th August 2016.

Did quite a bit of research both >here< and on the Interwebs...

Oral only cycle, "expensive" - but my reasons for choosing this specific cycle includes some side benefits/general health issues that I needed to address in any case...

11 Weeks of Steroids / 5 Weeks PCT

Oral Primobolan 20 (LP) Started with 40mg / day, ramping to 60mg / day, closing on 100mg / day = 7,000mg (7 Bottles)
Oral Proviron 20 (LP) Started with 40mg / day, ramping to 60mg / day, closing on 80mg / day = 5,000mg (5 Bottles)
??? Might add Anavar 20 (LP) 3,000mg (3 Bottles) during last 6 weeks, not sure yet... ???

My Stats:
37y/o Male
1.82m
84kgs / +- 15%b/f
*advanced fitness, sporting/active history
** reason for cycle = plateau, time & opportunity for challenge, motivated

GOAL > decrease B/F to levels where my abs are showing, lean, dry, strong, hard look. I don't really have any specific weight in mind, but I'd be happy at around 88KG's and 12-14% b/f? I have a naturally good pec/shoulder/back development, my focus will be on biceps, triceps and core improvements. Legs are not an issue, years of cycling have them in check.

I'm training weights 6 days a week / 7 if you include a casual 20km MTB cycle with mates on the weekend... I'm less tired and more active in general. Weights training is basics, a mostly ARNOLD inspired program, training each body part twice a week. calves and abs alternative days...

Another thing I would like to mention is that I supplement with PHENYLPIRACETAM on a daily basis, some might find this interesting or beneficial to know. I have been using it for about 4 months now and it's probably made the biggest difference in my life, of any supplement, ever, but thats another story for another time.

My diet has been really good: I eat +- 3x eggs, 2x rye toast, piece of hake/salmon/fishcake/wors/meat for breakfast, lunch I'm having tuna, and dinner just a heathy protein skewed meal, with veggies and maybe some past or rice, etc. For snack I'm having seed bars, in between I am having my protein shakes... If I'm hungry, I eat something, I try make it something "good". I have been drinking plenty of water...

I'm 16 days into the Cycle, and I feel great - already lost a visible amount of b/f, and have gained estimated. 1kg+ of muscle, visibly harder looking, and vascularity has improved. I've always started my morning training with 20min on the stationary bike, and keep my cadence around 90rpm, i'm now pushing heaver resistance levels and my H/R has dropped a good 10/beats/min lower on average...

In terms of Weight Training, I found significant improvements in strength, and I am pushing +- 10-15% heavier than before.

Started feeling the effects after about day 5-6, and now in the second week I've really felt good. Only side effects have been the odd headache, not bad enough to need pain killers, but enough to notice. Whenever I could feel the headaches coming I just had some water and ate something, and rode it out. During the first couple of days I had a bit of a runny tummy, but nothing too serious. Gas, I had, BADLY > and still every now and then... but i suspect it's the Milk Thistle...

I mentioned the reason for the stack to include some other health benefits, but I do feel that the cycle has already helped me improve my sleep, moods are better and more stable, and libido has improved.

Thanks for the advice, any comments, suggestions or input appreciated.

First of all, nice read. LP orals are fantastic steroids, so good choice on that.

You should have waited and leaned out to around 10% bodyfat before starting Primo. It LOVES a lean physique and adds quality lean muscle.

If you can afford it, go for at least 80mg Primo daily and keep the proviron on 60mg throughout.

Why dont you use injectables?

Hi Oupa, thanks for the comments. I've been following your feedback and support to the community with great interest. I did stupid things with steroids in my early twenties and paid the price, and ever since I've been very reluctant, however with age came some sense and also new curiosity of what can be achieved with the right cycle and approach. I didn't know how my body was going to react, and I had some other issues I needed to address in any case. I've been suffering from insomnia, poor libido, borderline ED, and some mental issues with the usual ups and downs of life. So about a year ago I started lifting again and getting my diet and training on track. For all the above reasons I wanted my first new cycle to be mild, and Primo and Proviron offerd some significant benefits to some of my challenges. Such as better sleep, libido, mood etc. I also felt that I could control/change dosages easier with orals to fine tune and/or manage side effects. I started running 80mg of Primo and 60mg Proviron today, and will see how I adjust to the dosage, so far I've had almost no serious sides and feel amazing.

Currently splitting my dosage of Primo and Proviron in a morning dose before training on empty stomach and at night before I goto bed? Would it be better to take Primo in one daily dose? Some say it would be better?

Also, seeing as it's going so well, do you think adding some Anavar would be overkill? I'm taking Milk Thistle and Essentiale and have no issues with liver or digestion?

I would definitely add in the Anavar.

Interested that you mentioned the phenylpiracetam; I've used piracetam, aniracetam and noopept. Please PM me as to where you got it from. I know it's not a banned substance but I'm not sure if forum rules allow that to be discussed publicly. Wrt to your cycle, I know it's oral only but I'd try get some test in there, maybe even just nebido. You will definitely notice something especially at your age, natural test will be quite low and the orals that you are using, although mild, will still further suppress the natural test production. I hear some people have had limited success with test gel but not 100% sure of its efficacy personally.

Jonny wrote: Please PM me as to where you got it from. I know it's not a banned substance but I'm not sure if forum rules allow that to be discussed publicly.

Read the rules properly.

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I think for you for your next cycle a testosterone only cycle would also be worth while to consider

I'm certainly considering a test only cycle in the future - saying that, I'm however having such a great response to this cycle I'm trying my best to keep my focus on this cycle... because i have such a greedy and additive personality that i'm already dreading my off cycle..

I've read the rules, there is a clause stating that any research drug is not allowed to discuss source and pricing... so I figure I'm not allowed to talk you about my source of phenylpiracetam.... in any case, phenylpiracetam has just about saved my life in so many ways, i've become a much better human. I have concentration, better moods, more energy, better focus, it's really a miracle drug, for me.... in any case.. and, from using anti depressants and other crap in the past, i still cant believe that "racetams" are not being prescribed or used over all these other bullshit Ritalin and alike drugs either..

Quick update: I'm on day 30 of my cycle. training has been going really well. Weights 6x days a week, each body part twice a week. 5 sets x 12 reps x 5 exercises. 20min of cardio as warm-up before weights in each session, plus additional 2 sessions of cardio a week with some extra abs, legs or focus body part in these extra sessions. It basically comes to about 9-10 hours of training a week.

I'm currently on 100mg Primo, 60mg Proviron and 60mg Anavar a day. The Anavar has been for the past week.

To be honest, before I started the Anavar I had a much better overall feeling of wellness, power and anabolic glow. Since I've added the Anavar I've certainly seen a drastic difference in muscle hardness, vascularity and pump, and can see/feel the fat dropping off. However, it's not as "pleasant" as the Primo/Proviron was on its own.

I stated with 40mg of Anavar and have now settled on 60mg and I think I'm going to stay at the 100Primo/60Proviron/60Anavar for the rest of the cycle.

In terms of results, it's been amazing. I'm currently on 88Kg and +- 13to14% Bf. Which means I've added atleast 4kg lean muscle and managed to drop a visible amount of Bf.

In terms of sides, you can certainly feel the Anavar pumps, rock hard pumps, but almost to the extent where it makes me feel slower.. I'm going to stick it out for a while and see. Other than that, not many other side effects to mention except from being stiff and beat up from the hard training. All good!

In terms of eating, I'd say I'm eating cleanish... Big breakfast, smaller lunch, average size dinner. Eat when I'm hungry. Don't overeat, staying away from bad carbs and so...

Starting my 6th week now, Primo @100 / Proviron @ 60 / Anavar @ 60....

Currently at 89kg, bodyfat continuing to go down... feeling great - except every couple of days I end up holding some water, and it makes me feel fat and like a girl... wondering if it's something I'm missing...

Do I just need to adjust my diet, drink more water, have more/less carbs, what to do about the water retention?

Or, do I need to add a shot of TEST or something more to the mix?

Or am i just suffering from the "wanting" more and more syndrome..

Strength is way up, vascularity nice and pumping... had some issues initially on the Anavar with too hectic pumps, but now taking some Taurine and it has sorted that out totally....

I would suggest 250mg a week of test - sustanon would be my choice or maybe prop

If you do go for a Test it would be Propionate as it is short and fast estered like everything else in your stack...

Must say I'm doing the Primo Proviron cycle as listed in the sample cycle section and it has been great. Expensive, put on very little weight but good quality and have leaned out nicely and even getting a little vascular poppin out. Def wanna do this cycle again and add in some test.

Ye it is one of the few orals that actually do their job and keep the job done at the end.