Cycle for biking (cycling)

Hey guys,

Sorry for the weird subject, however I wasn't sure what was the best way to get the point across as "cycle for cycling" could make people think "WTF".

Anyways, lets get to the point. I know that it is often frowned upon when threads like this pop up - so this is not a cycle for me but for a friend of mine. Reason I am posting it is that he is not the type to post on forums and he is looking for some proper advice and I feel that my knowledge is not sufficient to help him and I want to try get him the best advice possible.

Firstly his stats

Age: 36
Height 184cm
Weight: 90cm
BF: Approx 14% according to him (I suspect he might be lower though)

He use to be into bodybuilding and such, peaked at 104KG a good few years back. He has never run any proper cycle, he has used some fat burner and tried some Anavar before but no actual injectables.

Now he is into cycling (road) and want to do a cycle to gain some more strength and size in his legs and has asked me for a bit of advice. They do not get tested and he is not worried about that sort of thing due to the level he is doing it at. Off the bat I recommended some GW, he got some and is finding it fantastic and helps him finish races and training strong.

He cycles around 100KM on Saturdays and does some sprint training and such at the moment and will possibly start doing some weight training (legs only probably) soon.

We discussed a possible cycle and he talked to a few of his bodybuilder friends and he has ended up purchasing the following:

PGW Masteron 150 (1 bottle for now)
PGW Test Cyp 250 (1 bottle for now)
LP Clomid
LP Nolvadex
LP Aromasin
hCG (1 bottle for now)

I made sure he had everything for PCT as well as an AI on hand as well as some test.
I am unsure what sort of dosage he should run the test at, obviously he wants to try avoid serious pumps as that could affect his training and possible races.

He wants to avoid Prop due to the PIP, yet his Masteron is a mix of Mast Enth and Mast Prop. I suggested perhaps he can pin the Masteron in his shoulders.

I have never used Masteron before and have not looked into it all that much so I am not sure on what sort of dosage it is recommended to be run at and I am not sure how much of a difference it would make with his training and cycle.


So I guess what I am really looking for is advice on the following:

Dosage of the Test & Masteron as well as the pin frequency on the Masteron.
For the cycle length I was thinking 12 weeks - perhaps it is recommended to run the Masteron for longer?

Would it be recommended to be on cycle, in bridge, in PCT or post-PCT when he has his big race coming up (next year April or so, the soonest he will start his cycle is probably December).

Then finally, perhaps some sort of training advice as to what might benefit him most. Should he do some weights? Squats, Leg Press? Perhaps bodyweight 1 legged squats or just cycling and springs and jumps?

Thanks,
Psy

My practical experience, being a cyclist having previously raced competitively (never did PED's when I raced) but now into bodybuilding. When I am on cycle my cardio performance goes to a ball of shiit. Its not bad on test/ masteron but horrific when you adding something like equipoise in. When I go back to cruise/ TRT dose my cardio ability returns. If I were to do any PED's for cycling it wouldn't more than a TRT dose. I would get his blood work done to see what his natural test levels are and only consider this if they are on the low side. In terms of leg size gains, this has only come for me from weight training and doesn't really translate to cycling very well. If he wants to improve at cycling - ride the back - do interval training on an indoor trainer - there is no shortcut. Something like EPO will clearly enhance performance during a race but is dangerous and pretty difficult to get. As for the recovery element of steriods, low dose TRT levels I guess can help but practically as an amateur his volume is probably pretty low - I used to train 20 hours per week with no real adrenal fatigue or impact on natural test (of course everyone is different). Pros train upwards of 40 hours per week so natural test and thyroid can be negatively impacted and recovery enhanced by supplementation. Just my 2cents worth

Doing cardio jacked up on AAS not all that fun, with muscle pumps, etc.. I would rather suggest starting off with some SARMS, GW for endurance and Ostarine for Joints and a bit of Strength... The Test/Mast will not have a direct benefit on cycling performance, however indirectly it could assist if his natural levels were low, so an increase would help with having more energy, less lethargic, etc ...

TRT dose test or low like Oupa's cross fit cycle and 40mg of Anavar split 20mg morning and 20mg Evening. Add Creatine to the cycle. For me Anavar actually imroves strength/endurance/performance the Pumps on 40mg Anavar is there but not as bad as Turinabol. Add GW with the Var and low dose Test.
Remember big leg muscles do not always mean powerful functional legs...

Thanks guys, I will let him know.

See whether he still wants to go ahead with the cycle and follow a low dose (1ml per week of each) or just leave it altogether.

If he doesnt want to inject, use GW and Anavar

as an avid cyclist myself this topic caught my attention.
what dosage and period would you recommend on the VAR and GW? and just a PCT 1 afterwards

Hi Oom G.

Anavar 20mg morning and 20mg Evening.
GW 20mg per day at anytime of day as the half-life is very long. Anavar 8weeks at a time then PCT 1. GW you can use continuously you don't need to cycle off it although a break every 12-16weeks is recommended.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi Oom G.

Anavar 20mg morning and 20mg Evening.
GW 20mg per day at anytime of day as the half-life is very long. Anavar 8weeks at a time then PCT 1. GW you can use continuously you don't need to cycle off it although a break every 12-16weeks is recommended.

With the anavar, I'd suggest you take some liver protection, normal dosage of Essentiale... And taking some Taurine would not be a bad idea either. It helps against pumps and has many other benefits

He mentioned that he wants to avoid Anavar as he had some serious pumps back when he tried it, although not sure what dosage he was running.

So no injections and no Var. Var is like almost the perfect steroid. What's left to satisfy his goals? Stanno isn't ideal for cyclists, masteron is injectable. Oral Primo? Primo and GW cycle going to cost him though.

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Yeah all that is left is Primo and GW then.

Weight training for size and strength on his legs will do next to nothing for cycling performance. Endurance athletes have highly developed slow twitch muscle fibres which don't develop aesthetically like fast switch muscle fibres and are much smaller fibres. Fast twitch fibres play no role in endurance because they supply short bursts of energy but give us bodybuilder types our size and explosive power.

At 90KG/184cm he should not look to gain any more weight. That is pretty much the max for a cyclist of his height.

The best steroid for cycling is low dose of testosterone like around 125mg to max 150mg per week. Not to build size or strength, but to aid recovery when training and slightly improve endurance. The improved recovery means that you can basically get the effects of 10 weeks of race training done in maybe 6 weeks.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi Oom G.

Anavar 20mg morning and 20mg Evening.
GW 20mg per day at anytime of day as the half-life is very long. Anavar 8weeks at a time then PCT 1. GW you can use continuously you don't need to cycle off it although a break every 12-16weeks is recommended.

Thanks Rooi Bul
definitely going to give this a go for my Argus prep
should be a good start to the year, and then would like to run a Test cycle mid year.

Oom G, as jy inject, kry vir jou Primo en begin op 300mg pw. Die test dose soos MuscleA gese het 125-150mg per week.

Primo en Test base is jou fondasie, jy sal nie spyt wees nie.

primo primo primo primo ...+ Test for the time of your life... When cycling, on primo and test, my HR is usually on average 10beats lower at the same pace...

Woah, he has no issues with injectables and is happy to give them a go.
He has had a bad experience with pumps from Anavar and is scared to try it again.

@Muscleaddict, that is fantastic info and I will certainly pass it onto him!

@Oupa, I will let him know to consider Primo as well. Another substances I have not looked into all that much, however I know that it is one of the stronger substances which can be safe for woman to use.


So you guys reckon the masteron will be useless and it was a bit of a waste?

Ah crap Psy my bad confusion, was thinking of 2 different threads at once.

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Oupa wrote: Oom G, as jy inject, kry vir jou Primo en begin op 300mg pw. Die test dose soos MuscleA gese het 125-150mg per week.

Primo en Test base is jou fondasie, jy sal nie spyt wees nie.

Dankie Oupa
the issue is im pretty skinny, typical cyclist build

i was looking into Primo as well as Equipoise ( need to start saving now already if they will be in my cycle)
no experience with AAS yet so didn't want to complicate the cycle too much, however would like to build lean muscle on my upper body at the same time

was thinking something along the lines of:
Tbol as a kickstart ( possibly no oral kick start though )
Test and Primo
bridge with Var

don't want to hijack this thread any more though as i have already created my own one
will discuss the possibilities in there so that i can have everything in place for the new year.

@Oom G, that cycle you suggested is a thing of beauty. Jy't my ondersteuning .

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If you run the Tbol make sure to get Taurine is was on Tbol when I was cycling and not even seriously, although fun in the beginning the shin,calf and fore arm pumps got old and I rotating very quickly and I was on a low dose 40mg LP Tbol per day split 20mg Morning and 20mg Evening. Added Nutritech Glutaurine and it reduced the pump to a more tolerable one. That is why I said in my first pose that for in this instance Anavar would be better. But add the Taurine and Tbol can be used to kick

Most steroids are really a waste of time for cyclists. Endurance athletes do not take steroids to build strength or any size. They take them for recovery. It takes very little steroids before the benefits drop below the negatives. The key is a low dose cycle that will not add much water weight or much mass. You will usually not get any increased RBC count benefit at a dose that will increase your recovery but not add significant weight, even with EQ.

Oom G I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve with your cycle? You want to build upper body lean mass, yet you are doing the cycle for Argus training. You are not going to find a dose that will aid both goals. They are counterproductive. It is extremely hard to add upper body lean mass when cycling 50km a day for training without having to consume more calories than you should for optimal endurance training.

Tbol is not a good idea.

@ Furk and Rooi Bul 86, thank you for the advice and encouragement

@MA, apologies bud, i got my stories mixed up a lil here.
i have some GW on hand which i am going to run prior to and during the Argus, then i seen the guys mentioned GW and VAR , so thought i'd do that then as a Argus prep.

i would like to do the proper Test & Primo cycle mid next year.
as you have mentioned its difficult to structure a cycle where i could build lean mass while cycling 50km a day.
i mainly do mountain biking so will be able to minimize the daily ride and up my calorie in take to hopefully build lean mass throughout my body.
i will then also bring more weight training into my routine

i wouldn't like to pack on too much weight as that would affect me going forward, hence the idea of Test,Primo and Var.

hope i'm making sense here

Oom G wrote:

@ Furk and Rooi Bul 86, thank you for the advice and encouragement

@MA, apologies bud, i got my stories mixed up a lil here.
i have some GW on hand which i am going to run prior to and during the Argus, then i seen the guys mentioned GW and VAR , so thought i'd do that then as a Argus prep.

i would like to do the proper Test & Primo cycle mid next year.
as you have mentioned its difficult to structure a cycle where i could build lean mass while cycling 50km a day.
i mainly do mountain biking so will be able to minimize the daily ride and up my calorie in take to hopefully build lean mass throughout my body.
i will then also bring more weight training into my routine

i wouldn't like to pack on too much weight as that would affect me going forward, hence the idea of Test,Primo and Var.

hope i'm making sense here
 

Necro post and all aside. Do you have some feedback on the AAS in conjunction with your cycling?