First Tren E; Sust 250; Winny and Proviron stack

Hi guys.
I'm new to the forum.
I will be starting my third cycle for the new yearand will need as many opinions and advice as I plan on pursuing the dreaded Tren cycle.
My previous cycles have yielded substantial gains over the past two years, with zero side effects.
My stats are as follows:-
Age: 30.
Height: 1.68.
Weight: 69kgs.
B/f: 9%.(as measured at fitness club)
I've used sust 250/ Deca 100/ Dbols stacks twice prior with huge success, moving up from a skinny 52kgs to my current 69kgs. I train daily, eat clean and dedicate two days weekly to complete cardio. I've seen amazing gains with Tren usage among a few colleagues I train with, and plan to use the following for a total of 10 weeks:
Tren E(300mg)- weeks 1 to 10(weekly pins).
Sust 250- weeks 1 to 10(weekly pins).
Winstrol -weeks 1 to 10(40-50mg E/D).
Proviron -weeks 1 to 10(40-50mg E/D).
I have copious amounts of Winny,Proviron; along with Nolva, Clomid, Aromasin and HCG and wish to make optimal usage of it.
My aim is to add a few more kilos in bulk focusing alot on aesthetic definition.
Any additional reccomendations and advice would be highly appreciated. Please feel free to share opinions, especially with regard to PCT.

Regards.

You cant cycle Winstrol @ 50mg @ 70kg for 10 weeks. You shouldnt be using tren E. What if your system cant handle Tren? 2 weeks to clear is HELL!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the response..
I do believe that my exagerated dosage levels are stupid!
I will debate on facts of results I have seen of my older brother who mimics my image. We both gym together yet he is always the guinea pig yielding results first.
He has completed his cycle of tren and the results are astonishing. My plan was to engage in a similar method with better guidance and expert viewpoints.
I wouldn't want to waste the kit in my possesion as I believe the tren and sust dosages are low to intermediate and suited to the experienced athlete no doubt, but can be adjusted with aid from experienced gurus as yourself.

Regards

A 50mg winstrol dose at 69kg is the same as 80mg for a 110kg guy. Overkill on the liver and unnecessary.

Oupa is not saying that you shouldn't use Tren, but rather that it is recommended to go with the shorter acetate ester in case the sides become too harsh to handle. 300mg isn't a low dose for someone weighing 69kg. You'd also want to pin the sust at least twice a week, rather than weekly as you propose.


Out of curiosity, how much did you weigh before your first cycle?

Don't use winstrol for 10weeeks use it from week 9 till pct. 30mg is more than enough for your stats

Thanks for the responses gents.
I started off my first cycle weighing in at 52kgs.

Agree with Oupa and Eidelon , your cycle is complete overkill for your weight/size. Winny 10 weeks your joints will sound like a cracking old wooden floor and you will probably shit out your liver.

Themunchys wrote: Thanks for the response..
I do believe that my exagerated dosage levels are stupid!
I will debate on facts of results I have seen of my older brother who mimics my image. We both gym together yet he is always the guinea pig yielding results first.
He has completed his cycle of tren and the results are astonishing. My plan was to engage in a similar method with better guidance and expert viewpoints.
I wouldn't want to waste the kit in my possesion as I believe the tren and sust dosages are low to intermediate and suited to the experienced athlete no doubt, but can be adjusted with aid from experienced gurus as yourself.

Regards

I deal with this often bro let me tell you how it goes down- at first they get these amazing results and you might even admire them. Second cycle still amazing. Third cycle you think bloody hell why am I not doing what he does. But after 4 cycles this dude has no more ammo. No ace in the hole he has played all his cards. He doesn't have Tren anymore and can't run a cycle without it, he hasnt done a proper PCT so his HPTA system is boned, and he gets the scare of his life when he gets bloods. Regularly we see these guys on the forum hoping for some tips. You on the other hand hold all the cards and while he loses his testosterone and becomestill a fatass, you hold all the cards and win the game.

well said Pyro. The slower approach is definitely the way to go for long term health.

all i see is TREN...3rd cycle...nevermind the rest i'm scared to to death for your sake.

NOWHERE as experienced as these guys, but from my research TREN should be researched BACK TO FRONT, you should know it as well as your ID number....it's probably THE strongest compound "commercially" available and should be treated with a LOT of respect, and reserved for experienced users.

reading up on it suggests your system can either handle it, or it will FCUK you up....theres no middle ground.

check youtube channel DYLLAN GEMELLI, he has a lot of vids on tren....

know this compound before taking it!!!!

Marcel83 wrote: all i see is TREN...3rd cycle...nevermind the rest i'm scared to to death for your sake.

NOWHERE as experienced as these guys, but from my research TREN should be researched BACK TO FRONT, you should know it as well as your ID number....it's probably THE strongest compound "commercially" available and should be treated with a LOT of respect, and reserved for experienced users.

reading up on it suggests your system can either handle it, or it will FCUK you up....theres no middle ground.

check youtube channel DYLLAN GEMELLI, he has a lot of vids on tren....

know this compound before taking it!!!!

I absolutely hate Tren, I know that I'll never in my life take it again, each time I forced myself to try it for this or that reason I landed up feeling shocking!

I did a very short tren cycle at the beginning of this year. The results were awesome! I gained good amount of muscle...but I felt like crap, training, if I was not methodical, it felt like I was dying...no cardio watsoever I could attempt....not to mention, I got sorta very emotional and it took me like 3 months or so to recover from that mental state....In terms of results achieved, best ever with the tren...but the sides..eish...I also dont think I would try it again..

I'm very pro-tren, if you have a good understanding of how your body responds to it. It can definitely be run safely and possible to keep sides minimal. A lot of people seem to feel very lethargic and shitty on it, but like every compound i do feel it has a sweet spot. I feel great on it, massive confidence boost, strength gains and helluva muscle gains. Just feel most boards are overrun with people calling it the devil because they might have run it incorrectly. Definitely agree with some advice here, as tren E on your first run is a bad idea, tren A gives you a quicker kick and a quicker way to gauge its effects on you. If sides appear you know either to lower the dosage, add caber or completely abandon the idea of it. Advice is to keep caber always at hand to negate the prolactin effects, always consider lowering the dosage, especially with tren, lowering tren won't kill gains, as it is truly a miracle compound. I would advise to run tren A at 300mg/pw, maybe lower, and lower your test, just to see the full effect of tren take over. High prolactin and high estrogen, will definitely kill your mood. Keep proviron, ditch the winny, and shoot 200-500 ui of HCG every two weeks, as it kicks the nuts back and makes pct easier, that's just my opinion though. Tren won't kill you neither will it give you some sort of organ failure or make your head explode. Drink water , eat clean and tren hard.


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