First cycle advice

Good day guys

I'm looking to do my first cycle:

Test Prop
-Week 1-10 pinning 1ml eod
Proviron
-Week 1-12 40mg ED
Winstrol
-Week 8-12 40mg ED

Will arimidex throughout the cycle be advised and if so how would you guys advise on using it on cycle?

Pct will be chlomid and Nolvadex.

Stats:

21 years old
192cm
98kg
11% BF
6 years lifting experience and ex-competitive powerlifter.

My goals:

To gain atleast 6kg of lean muscle and to minimise water retention.
Training and diet in check and will be in a slight calorie surplus throughout cycle.
Will also be doing fasted cardio 2x a week for general fitness and to help support gains.

A few questions:

-Should I maybe use a kickstart with this cycle?
-Any tips for helping to maintain gains after pct besides eating and training?
-Is 1ml test eod enough or should I opt for 1.5ml eod due to being a bit bigger than your average user?

Thanks in advance guys

Other than age all seems good buddy. Some might advise a longer ester to avoid feeling like a pin cushion on your first cycle.

Maybe more on diet so the pros can assist.

If you do kickstart i think anavar will be a good kickstart to this cycle... at least it's the route i would go if I were doing this cycle.

You don't really need a kicker if you're using prop. Assuming it's 100mg/ml, it's a fair bit of gear for a first cycle, even considering you're slightly bigger (but not huge). And you're not going to be able to walk/sit for the first few weeks if the pip hits you. You're more likely to encounter sides at that dose, so I'd suggest getting bloods done a few weeks in to check your E2 levels. You won't have experience to fall back on to decide when to use the adex.

Why not the standard test e beginner cycle?

Good advice

I wouldn't use Test Prop on your first cycle as the post injection pain combined with frequency of pins will be a nightmare. I would advise to use a Kickstart like Turinabol but only if you decide on a longer Test ester like Cypionate or Enanthate. Don't use the Arimidex from the start- on your first cycle you want to see how your body reacts to Test. Remember you will use Test for all future cycles so it's vital to know how you respond. Better to keep the Arimidex on hand and use if necessary.

Thanks for all the replies guys

Looks like the thing didn't publish my whole previous post.

Anyways I thought a bit why I wanted to cycle and I'm still very young and I can still make use of my natural test levels to make some extra gains because I don't see a point in doing a cycle and gaining say for instance 8kg of muscle but then struggling to maintain that muscle and inevitably losing some of those gains and suppressing my test levels and I don't plan on doing cycles and cruising on test in between cycles to maintain my gains because I am not looking to compete. Or not soon lol.

SARMS caught my attention and is it possible to do a SARMS only cycle, I read a bit about them and they sound very promising and I've also read through the thread about SARMS on the site but still need more info about them.

Any input would be appreciated.

Any recommendations on the SARMS guys?

Tell me what you can source and what you are going to run for PCT and then we take it from there.

Ok took some time so find out what I have access to but I have access to Ostarine,GW, MK 677 and RAD 140 but the RAD 140 is oit of stock at the moment.

Was looking at doing an 8 week cycle of Rad and GW
10mg RAD140 per day
10mg GW 501516 per day

Will do PCT 1 which consists of clomid and nolva as on the sote.

I've read that Ostarine is suppressive and holds water due to elevated estrogen levels but it is the preferred SARM for size if water weight is managed.

Can always look at running an 8 week cycle of Ostarine and GW with pct 1 and if RAD140 is in stock maybe all three together.

Any thoughts on this guys?

wrangler101 wrote: Ok took some time so find out what I have access to but I have access to Ostarine,GW, MK 677 and RAD 140 but the RAD 140 is oit of stock at the moment.

Was looking at doing an 8 week cycle of Rad and GW
10mg RAD140 per day
10mg GW 501516 per day

Will do PCT 1 which consists of clomid and nolva as on the site.

I've read that Ostarine is suppressive and holds water due to elevated estrogen levels but it is the preferred SARM for size if water weight is managed.

Can always look at running an 8 week cycle of Ostarine and GW with pct 1 and if RAD140 is in stock maybe all three together.

Any thoughts on this guys?

As it is going to be your first cycle just run one with the GW not 2 at the same time. Doing PCT 1 after is a wise choice

Wrangler I spoke to a couple of guys I work with that have used or are currently using Ostarine from LP and they all said they did not experience water retention or bloating.

Neither did I

Thanks for chiming in Optron was actually wondering how your Ostarine and GW cycle went?

Yes Rooi Bul, it's a while back, but it went great. Planning on going on another GW and Ostarine cycle in Feb with the start of my new season.

I didn't notice any water retention, although I do a lot more cardio than the average guy. Strength went up and endurance was excellent. Made use of PCT1 and didn't experience any trouble what so ever.

Thanks Bud.

Were you only on the GW and Ostarine? What were you're dosages?

See you at legend's...

Extreme cardio sessions, I included Hyper Burn (ONE).

GW: 20mg split 10am/10pm
Ostarine: 15mg am

Used PCT1, but continued with the GW through PCT.

Dont know if PCT was really necessary, but rather safe than sorry.

Thanks for the input guys

So you guys rate an Ostarine and GW cycle will be power?
Should I do an 8 week cycle or rather 12 weeks and what were the results like Optron?

Hi wrangler: It totally depends on your goals, diet and training.

I am very focused on weight to strength ratio where I try to gain maximum strength while not gaining to much weight, calisthenics type training.

For how I used it together with my training and diet, it worked excellent.

How I cycle the two:

GW501516: Week 1-12 20mg split 10/10
Ostarine: Week 1-8 15mg am
PCT1 : Week 9-12

I found that one's diet plays a massive part when using SARMS only.