First Cycle, Advice.

Hi Guys,

Long time reader/researcher first time poster. I have been following the site for quite some time, the thought of using something has crossed my mind so many times that I had this site bookmarked for a long time.

All of the previous times I considered using, reading posts from beginners asking advice, has swayed me towards not taking anything.

I focussed on getting my diet and workout regimes right first, through this process I realized what I really wanted to achieve.
So I went from a fat bastard 135 kg down to a lean 93kg. By focusing on eating right and working hard. I used Intermittent fasting and it worked great for me. In this time I felt like I lost too much muscle too, I was vascular and lean but looked a little too much like an endurance athlete than I wanted to.

So over the festive season I let go a bit, but gained a bit of size (and fat) but my muscle and frame looked a whole lot better.

Size has always been one of my strengths, I have naturally big legs and shoulders. Never really store any fat in my limbs. but the belly and face showed the extra amount of fat. So back on the diet wagon lost a good number at 100kgs now.

I do Crossfit and GYM every day.

So This year I decided to get on a cycle get some solid lean gains. (I would hate getting "Full" (water weight)) but would love some decent gains not looking to be hulk, just yet

So my stats:
32
190cm
100kgs
+-14% bf (Very Lean Large legs)

My proposed cycle is as follows, I took the beginner cycle and added Var ito, bols.

2 PGW Test cyp 250
1 LP anavar 20mg (50)
5000iu hcg

1x LP Clomid
1x LP Nolva
Aromisen on hand in case of A issues.

Summary:
250Test Cyp 2x a week. (500mg a week {day 1 and day 5}) for 11weeks (ending Day 77)
var @ 40mg for first 25 days.
Hcg 250iu 2x a week from day 20
PCT
(Start at day 106)
50mg Clomid for 14 days.
then after that Nolva at 20mg until done(30)

Sorry for the long post, any advice comments are very much welcome.
PS:
Shoutout to Hoosain and everyone who helped him on his cycle got allot from following his progress.

thanks for the shoutout pal. Looking forward to your results

have a question regarding your var, why only 25 days? even though i feel the var kicking in very early i think it's safe to say it only comes alive around 2 weeks in and you feel the full effects. var should be good to go for 6 weeks if you have enough.

personally, if i had only 1 bottle of anavar i would save it for the bridge. reason behind this is to remain anabolic while my test levels drop before starting my PCT. will also lean you out nicely as your cycle comes to an end.
not only would it help during the bridge, but if you do have sides in the beginning it would be easy to diagnose since you are only running one compound at a time.

Shot Buddy.

Uhm yeah I am still pondering the effects of the kicker vs the results of the bridge. I have 1 bottle var on hand, that's the only reason I have included it. (was considering a test only cycle)

I will be able to add more var if it is worth it?

As I understand the purpose for the kicker is due to the long-ish half life of the test cyp, and to kick start the process? I was thinking of running one bottle at the start and then maybe adding one more bottle at the end during the bridge, If I am correct it will be the 36 days between my cycle and my pct.

Also does anyone have any experience running GW501516 with a cycle like this? I will want to also still be able to do my CrossFit, during this time, not competitive just a part of my lifestyle... That is also why I am keeping the var at a lowish dose, is 40mg ok, or should I up the dose, considering I will be doing CF.

you are correct with the reason to using a kicker.

i am pretty sure that most will recommend using it as a kicker and bridge. some might have an issue with the dosage and say it's too low due to your size. i personally think 40mg should be fine.
i used a different brand which my source mentioned is probably slightly under-dosed compared to LP, but i felt it even at 40mg. if i could feel that at 40mg then LP will definitely do it's job at 40mg! only ever heard good things about them

as for the crossfit, i'll wait on someone else to comment on how the anavar will affect you there.

Hoosain wrote: you are correct with the reason to using a kicker.

i am pretty sure that most will recommend using it as a kicker and bridge. some might have an issue with the dosage and say it's too low due to your size. i personally think 40mg should be fine.
i used a different brand which my source mentioned is probably slightly under-dosed compared to LP, but i felt it even at 40mg. if i could feel that at 40mg then LP will definitely do it's job at 40mg! only ever heard good things about them

as for the crossfit, i'll wait on someone else to comment on how the anavar will affect you there.

Great Thanks!

Gonna do a kicker and bridge. 40mg throughout.

Anavar is used to maintain your strength during bridge and to keep you anabolic and not for muscle. The muscle pump above 60mg becomes unbearable so stay around 40mg.

GW: For sure it will help with CrossFit. It will help with all endurance related activities. GW has numerous positive effects as well that could alleviate bad sides of an AAS cycle. Think blood pressure, cholesterol, endurance.

Var: I personally never ran it lower than 60mg. You're a big dude already so I would guess 40mg to be too low. It made me vascular and hard, but I've heard of complaints of painful pumps (never experienced it myself). I've also never had it make lethargic or spent. So I reckon it's a good addition given your CrossFit. You're going to be hard-pressed to find an oral with less sides IMO. (PS: I'm not a CrossFit expert)

Bridge vs. Kicker: If you want to consider spending a bit more, do your kicker with T-bol and bridge with Anavar.

PUMPS! that's the thing that worries me. not sure how it affects the guys doing cross fit, but at 40mg the pumps were killing me when i went running. got to a point where i completely cut out running.

Anavar @ 40mg wont do much...60 - 80mg yes please. For the first 2 weeks in crossfit you will have shitty pumps, but it goes away and then smooth sailings with strength for 8 weeks

Hi guys thanx for all the advice! Gonna up the var to 60mg and feel it out!

Oupa wrote: Anavar @ 40mg wont do much...60 - 80mg yes please. For the first 2 weeks in crossfit you will have shitty pumps, but it goes away and then smooth sailings with strength for 8 weeks

Oupa, ek het eintlik myself getwyfel voor ek geantwoord het (ek't nog altyd die selfde Var dosis in my kop gehad). Maar toe gaan lees ek jou CrossFit siklus , die Var is gedoseer op 40mg. Is dit juis om die pumps te vermy? Self in die brug wanner dit die enige AAS is. :huh: Probeer nie kak roer of fout vind nie, net nuuskierig oor die rede.

Cycles pas aan soos mens sukses behaal. 40mg to 80mg is omtrent 25 tot 20kg wat jy meer kan snatch, pushpress, clean. Deadlifts, squats nog meer.

As long as you don't do intensive long-distance running sessions (speed & strength) and only do your normal Crossfit WODs, you'll be fine with Var. As Oupa said, it will subside with time. Just stay away from Whinny. It can get you ripped, but you wil have shin splints all over.

Oupa's Crossfit cycle a nice one, tried and tested it myself with great results.

OPTRON wrote: As long as you don't do intensive long-distance running sessions (speed & strength) and only do your normal Crossfit WODs, you'll be fine with Var. As Oupa said, it will subside with time. Just stay away from Whinny. It can get you ripped, but you wil have shin splints all over.

Oupa's Crossfit cycle a nice one, tried and tested it myself with great results.

Great thanx yes i will be trying it in future. As for the running, not for me hey, lol I run cause I have too. Shin splints have become part of my life so trying to avoid it as far as possible.

Oupa wrote: Cycles pas aan soos mens sukses behaal. 40mg to 80mg is omtrent 25 tot 20kg wat jy meer kan snatch, pushpress, clean. Deadlifts, squats nog meer.

Oor die dose van die var, ja dis wat ek ook gedink het hoekom ek gereken het ek gaan op 40 bly maar ek gaan oupa se raad volg en maar 60mg kap en kyk hoe hy loop en aanpas. Ek gaan hom ook dan vat as bridge op die dosis wat lekker was in die kicker.

Baie dankie vir almal se raad sover!

just a quick 5 cents,
i'm running a lil Var and GW cycle ( VAR at 40mg and GW at 20mg)

into my 3rd week and GW has made a big difference already in my crossfit sessions
the VAR is assisting with Vascularity and slight increase in strength

thinking of increasing the VAR to 60mg but need to keep the pumps down as i'm busy with intense cycle training too for the Argus.

Hay man. Hierdie lyk baie soos 'n siklus wat ek wil hardloop. Ek lees maar nog op en beplan alles eers. Hoop dinge vorder goed.

JoGains wrote: Summary:
250Test Cyp 2x a week. (500mg a week {day 1 and day 5}) for 11weeks (ending Day 77)
...
PCT
(Start at day 106)

Quick question regarding PCT timing.
Something that's been bothering me is that the last pin is done @day77.
If we're supposed to start PCT 36 days after last pin (in case of Test Cyp with a half-life of 12 days)
77 + 36 = 113
Shouldn't PCT then start around day 113, and not 106?

If someone can give some insight I'll appreciate it lots.

Have a good one

Hi Dude.

Jy is helemal reg. Ek dink my wiskunde was net so bietjie af op my excell sheet...

Ek gaan 36 Dae wag na my laste pin. Soos aanbeveel. Sterkte met jou cycle is great.

Just a general update.

Cycle has been great thus far! 1rm's smashed! Ibhave always been a big-ish guy, but this is next level. Especially shoulders, chest and back have pop. First time in my life abs are visable and nice and vascular!

Hace follwed Oom G's advice and have started to run gw @ 20mg a day. Cardio performance have increased massively from hating to run to wanting to do it. Also reckon the gw have helpped me keep lean while bulking.

Var was a bit of a hit and miss think i should have upped the dose sooner, some pumps where bad but not anything i couldn't handle. My buddy had more issues with the var's pumps and doing CrossFit.

I Really can recommend this cycle to any begginers. Don't be afraid of the pins, a non issue really and frankly "safer" in most cases.

Will keep you guys updated!

Use a bridge dont float for a month and then PCT.