1st Cycle for 2017

Hi Gents,

So I’m about to order my gear for my first cycle of the year and want to get some comments and ideas from our experienced members.

Stats
Age: 29
Weight: 87
Height: 1.85
BF: 12/13% (At the moment)
Been training for close to 10 years and have done 5 cycles. First 2 cycles were only Var and Clen, then Test Cyp only cycle, last two were test prop with oral kickstart (Dianabol/Var) and finisher(Winny/Var).

I plan on starting my first AAS cycle for the year in the first week of April, giving myself a decent break from last years cycle (Finished beginning of December).

I want to drop BF as far as possible before the cycle starts therefore I started my first two weeks of CYX3 and Clen yesterday. Will run CYX and Clen for six weeks, two on two off until cycle starts. I taper CYX up and down and add clen throughout the two weeks(Clen max 120mcg). I’m also planning on using ECA stack in off weeks. This should get me very close to 10% BF if not below. Current diet is 250-500 Cal deficit daily.

My goal this year is to see how lean I can get while still adding some quality muscle.

Planned cycle:
Weeks 1 to 3 - 40mg Dbol ED
Weeks 1 to 8 - 100mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 1 to 8 - 150mg Mast Prop EOD
Weeks 8 to PCT - 50mg Oral Winny ED
Weeks 8 to PCT - 500iu HCG 2 x/Week
Weeks 1 to PCT - 20mg Aromasin ED
**Necessary ancillaries taken throughout.

PCT to Start 14 days after last test/mast pin.

PCT:
Week 1 - 50mg Clomid 2 x daily
Weeks 2 to 5 - 20 Mg Nolva ED
Weeks 2 to 5 - 20 Mg Aromasin ED

I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on the proposed cycle. I only have a few questions:
• Is 450mg to 600mg/week of Mast Prop enough?

• Should I rather pin Mast and Test ED? I don’t mind ED pinning on an eight week cycle.

• Last question, might be stupid, can I order all this gear now and keep it until April without any worries?

Thanks again for the soundboard guys!

Hey bud,

HCG - from week 3 up to PCT
Aromasin - E3D up to PCT

PCT:
Clomid - 50mg x 14 days
Nolva - To start after Clomid
Aromasin - No need in PCT if used during cycle.

Use some Beta Sleep while on CYX3, Clen & ECA.

Good luck with the Joint pains, you might get some with the Prop and Winny. Maybe you should consider Anavar for the bridge.

Good luck with the planning

Replace the Dbol at the start with Tbol.
Don't use CyX3 and clen together as CYX3 already contains Clen. There is no point in cycling clen off and then run the Ephedrine as they work on the same receptor.

What is your reasoning behind running CYX3&Clen? How much per day? Brand?

Thanks for the input Rooi Bul.

I will look into swapping the Dbol with Tbol. Tbol is an oral that I haven’t used, so might be a nice addition.

As for the CYX and Clen. I taper the CYX up and down, the Clen I only taper up and stop both after two weeks. I know CYX contains Clen but the dose of one tab is les than 40mcg(think it’s 37.5mcg). Although the Clen dose can easily be increase to 120/140 mcg the yohimbe and the t3 in the CYX can only be tolerated to a certain point. Therefore I taper the CYX up and then down, adding additional Clen throughout.

CYX AXIO Labs (1 tab = 37.5mcg Clen, 25mcg LIOTHYRONINE SODIUM, 5.4mg Yohimbe HCL)
Day1 - .5
Day2 -.5
Day3 -1
Day4 -1
Day5 -1.5
Day6 -1.5
Day7 -2
Day8 -2
Day9 -1.5
Day10 – 1.5
Day11 -1
Day12 -1
Day13 -.5
Day14 -.5

CLEN LP Oral Liquid (Add drops to get to)
Day1 – 40mcg
Day2 -40mcg
Day3 -40mcg
Day4 -60mcg
Day5 -60mcg
Day6 -60mcg
Day7 -80mcg
Day8 -80mcg
Day9 -80mcg
Day10 – 80mcg
Day11 -100mcg
Day12 -100mcg
Day13 -100mcg
Day14 -100mcg

My understanding is that clen and Ephedrine work on the same receptor, but where clen causes down regulation Ephedrine does not... hence one can use ECA while receptors recoup.

Now I follow you with Cyt3 plus additional Clen. Just be careful I tolerate Clen fine up to 100mcg solo. I tolerate yohimbine solo fine up to 40mg but on 20mg Yohimbine with Clen I couldn't handle more than 80mcg. Honestly felt like I was going to die any moment.

I disagree with your thinking that Ephedrine does not down regulate the Beta receptor as it does. At least add Beta Sleep.

Agree with Rooi Bul on the ECA downing the Beta receptors.

I also initially thought otherwise but after lot of studies prove otherwise. So rather have some Beta Sleep if you're not planning on taking breaks.

Thanks guys, I have a stockpile of betasleep so I'll add this throughout.

I can feel that my tolerance on the clen is a bit lower when taken with the yohimbine and t3. I'll adjust this accordingly and probably won't go above 80mcg.

Just a question guys, is there anything else you'd recommend running during the two off week instead of ECA?

One more question guys. I ran test prop ED injection on my previous cycle, the pip wasn't terrible, but obviously not the friendliest injectable.

I've heard of people adding vit B complex to their test prop shots, which apparently helps? Is it fine to mix oil and water based in same syringe? And what dose of B Complex would you add to every test shot?

bamiam, you dont have to take off week if you use the Betasleep. The Diphenhydramine counter the reaction on the beta receptors. If you want to take time off, rather focus on your diet and up the cardio a bit.

I've heard guys adding 1ml of B12 to test prop to ease the pip and apparently it works well. Haven't tried it myself though. Can just imagine it having a funny look to it, some sort of Lava lamp... :silly:

Thanks for all the advise Optron. I've run clen for prolonged periods with betasleep, but from personal experience my body responds better to the two weeks on two off cycles. I might run betasleep throughout and just cycle clen two on two off.

On the current diet, I weighed 91.6kg just after Christmas(around the 28th) and weighed in @ 85.8kg this morning. So almost 6kg, and I only added the clen and CYX from Monday.

It must look quite lava like, definitely would separate in the syringe... I'm just not sure that it won't cause any other potential issues, i'm definitely no chemical or molecular structure expert

Thats excellent results, well done. Keep it up. Two weeks on is still a long time, so add the Betasleep anyways.

I doubt the mix will cause any issues. Dont know if Rooi Bul mixed his prop...

No guys I didn't mix my Prop. I ran PGW Prop and to be honest the pip was less than on PGW Superstest 320...

Considering two more things for my cycle.

I've been told that running Cialis is recommended when running Mast? Can anyone attest to this and at what dose should it be run?

Should I consider adding NPP at a low dose to run along with Test and Mast? I recon 150-200mg/week should be plenty... At this dose would it be advisable to add caber?

I think some one is trying to make money off you.

Masteron being a DHT derivative increases Libido and also lowers SHBG to free up more of your Testosterone that you are injecting so you get more of the good effects and Testosterone also improves libido Master on also has mild Anti Estrogen effects. So I can't see the need to add Cialis which basically is a generic Viagra. If you add NPP run Cabaser with it 1mg split through a week.

I would Run the Prop and Mast cycle first then later do Prop Mast NPP

Hi Guys,

My diet has progressed quite well. I’ve got about 4 weeks till my cycle starts and just want to check something.

I’m pretty sure I know the answer, but just want to check HOW LONG CAN I STORE MAST 100 PGW? AND WHAT ARE THE SAFEST WAYS TO STORE?

I don’t think I’ll need it in my next cycle and cycle is also going to be during winter, so no point in being crazy shredded during winter months. I might use it with test toward the end of the year or early next year.

Thanks for the help?

When Did you get it?

I got it in Jan. Still sealed and in original packaging. I've just never kept gear for prolonged periods, I usually buy max a month before cycle starts.

You can store it for two years. Some guys even keep it up to 5 years. Away from light in a dry cool place