healing cycle

Hi guys?

Stats: age:36 weight:90 kg bf:12 percent

This is my 5th or 6th cycle not really sure as I have been off gear for the last 7 years. Last cycle was nordi hgh at 3iu for 6 months. I have issues with my neck and knees. Disc degeneration in the neck,patella maltracking and joint instability in both knees. All the joints in the body pop and crack while doing regular activities. Trained boxing and mma for years with weightlifting/crossfit. Currently on a good healthy diet using omegas 3s animal flex magnesium and optimen. Seen all kinds of doctors been to physios done mris etc. With not much success.
The purpose of this cycle is not to put on mass or get strong. The purpose is healing and recovery of joints. I have been talking to a few friends and also been reading online and deca is being recommended for joint lubrication. Lots of guys are claiming to get help from deca for their joints.

So I would really like to avoid the deca issue with the madam and would also like to recover in the best way possible.

Week 1-13 test enanthate 300 mg per week
Week 1-10 deca long acting 150 mg per wddj
Week 1-13.5 hcg 250 iu sub q shots twice per week
Week 1-13.5 Arimidex 0.25 mg E3D

Week 14-17 nolva 40/20/20/20
Week 14-17 Clomid 100/50/50/50

I would also run zma and some tribulus during and after pct.

Does this sound OK? Any suggestions or feedback?

Thank guys.

Welcome back to the game Lesa,

Sorry to hear about your joint issues, that's a set back for sure.

Yeah Deca will be great for that, Dbol also (but oils > orals). Your cycle seems pretty short for using a Decanoate. Is that because you are in a difficult situation with your issues and don't want to push yourself too hard? In terms of other chemicals, MK-2866 will be beneficial if you are willing to fork out for it. Andarine would be the best but I haven't heard of it inside South Africa.

The danger with your age + joints + deca is that your muscles are going to get strong at a faster rate than your joints and ligaments, and you might end up hurting yourself even if you didn't feel it coming (common with Anadrol especially).

In terms of alternative solutions, Omega-3's like you said, also check the Vit-D content of the Optimen, if it's not a good high dose, consider getting a stand-alone Vit-D. Also glad you mentioned the Magnesium. So obviously eating cold-water fish will be beneficial.

Your Deca dose per week is very low. Did you decide that on purpose? Usual range is 300-700mg/ week.

I am not planning on training heavy while on this cycle. Mainly light weights with lots of stretching and cardio. I am hoping that this will avoid injury issues. I am unable to do leg extensions or squats at the moment. I did forget to mention vitamin d . I am taking a 5000 iu dose per day for 3 weeks now on top of the multi vitamin. My last vitamin d blood was on 50 ng/mol which is considered normal range but the more I read I get the feeling that 70 - 100 is the range when you are trying to heal a disease in the body.

Yes I chose low deca on purpose as from what I researched even at 50 - 100 mg it should provide joint issue relief and there are some studies showing increase in synovial fluid while on the 19 nor. Another reason is that since being clean for a while my receptors should be firing on even smaller dosage and also the issue of deca to test ration 1 to 2 .

Do you think I should add some dbol in the start ? What dosages would be good ?

I am unable to get a hold of any healing peptides. I coughed up a small fortune on hgh nordatropin and except for getting leaner and harder I didn't find any joint relief on it. Also suffered from carpal and heel pains while on it. My body seemed to feel more tense and tightened on it.

Hi Lesa, I feel your pain. I've been through this and I am currently on a recovering cycle. You are spot on with your planning regarding your training. Lots of stretching, light and high intensity weights and some cardio. Its the best way to avoid further injury and also to strengthen the joins and tendons. With back and neck, you can also incorporate a lot of foam rolling and a lot of mobility and stability exercises for the knees. Lot of Bosu-ball type training.

I agree with Furk that muscles tend to get stronger a lot quicker than your tendons, which can impact your joint negatively.

Oupa helped me a lot to set up my recovery cycle, which comprises of:

Ostarine @ 15mg p/d
GW501516 @ 20mg p/d
Nandrolin (NPP) @ 100mg p/w split 50mg/50mg.

Besides the above, I also use Flexadrin Blue, you can get it without a prescription at Discem. Also works very good. Just be sure your are not allergic to shellfish.

Personally, I would leave out the test for the reasons mentioned above and by Furk that your muscles develop faster than your tendons and might increase your troubles.

Another thing, do you swim? Swimming dont have any strains and can be very therapeutic to your back and knees.

Good luck, hope you get the problem sorted!!

I think some MK677 would also be a nice addition

Unfortunately I am in Zambia and I will not be going to SA any time soon. My sources here are very limited. Cant get a hold of peptides at all. I was lucky to get what I have. The reason I include test is because I have a very young girlfriend 26 and I am scared of what deca might do to me in bedroom.

Edit: Wrong thread

Quick question on my Hcg dosage . Should I be doing 500 iu twice per week instead? I am using keifei HCG (couldn't get anything else) not the pharmacy grade and sometimes there Ug lab products are underdosed

OK so got some ostarine and cardarine on the way from sa ... How should I add them to this cycle? Maybe use them during pct? Any suggestions bros?

It all depends on how much you got.

Because Ostarine do suppress a little, I would add the Ostarine up to two days before you start your PCT. Thought cycle and bridge. GW you can include wherever you wish. Also depending on the quantity you have, I will start in bridge and continue right through till end of pct.

So depending on your quantities:

Ostarine up to pct
GW to the end of cycle.

GW will help to push a little harder when in that shitty pct phase.

From what my guy said they should be 10 mg tabs with 50 in each box. I was reading up that at 10 mg pd ostarine should not supress if used up to 4 weeks

Bud, the only available SARMS I know of, is from LP and as follows:

Ostarine 30 caps @ 15mg each
GW501516 30 caps @ 10mg each

If used for only 4 weeks, Ostarine only at 15mg, wont suppress that much. But as I have it, you are including it into another cycle. Point of the matter is, you can include it anywhere, but if I were you, I would have included it so that I am finished by the time I start my PCT, just to be on the safe side.

GW doesnt matter at all. You can include it in your cycle to help with cardio and lifts, or you can include it in your pct. I use it during cycle, take a break and then include it again in PCT to help during the shitty PCT period.

It will be interesting to see what this guy is bringing for me cause he said the tabs were 10 mg but didn't have a count on how many tablets in the box

Well you were 100 percent right bro my stuff is liquid pharma . I only got one bottle of each but more is on the way. Is there a specific time to take the sarms ? I started with one ostarine plus one cardarine just before the workout I will build up to two pd cardarine as soon as more bottles arrive. I read that ostarine is quite toxic for the liver.

Ostarine and 1 x GW I take upon awakening before my am training. I then take another GW before my PM session and it works for me like this. If you worried about the liver, add some Milk Thistle. I can't really tell if it had affected me. Normally I can feel my liver after some orals, but I am 6 weeks in and nothing yet.

What about the healing effects bro? How fast did you notice the difference in anything?

I cant say for sure. I've been struggling with tendon related problems the last three years. After another fracture end last year, I decided to do things right this time round. I did rehad 100%, got Ostarine and did all my stretches and training according to the book. Well, for the first time in 3 years, I am injury free... I must say, I also make use of Nandrolin @ 100mg per week, to help with the bones.

I don't think you should sit and wait for it to kick in and clear up all injuries or problems, but I do think it played a role in my recovery definitely!! Like they say, even if it works only 3%, then you are 3% better off than what you would have been without it.

I can tell you one thing, I got lean and strong in the process as well. So all and all, I am very happy and at 15mg a day, its definitely worth the buck for me!

Thank you for your input I really look forward to being injury free.. Someone offered tb 500 should I include it as well? I worry its too much chemicals playing in my system