Dbol and sustaplex 325 cycle and pct - please help

Hi guys,
I'm hoping you guys could assist. I have done some research, though I've noticed there are guys on here that give great advice.

I'm looking to take db 20mg (maybe 30mg) for 4 weeks and sustaplex 325 at 0.3ml for 6 - 8 weeks. I understand the results might not be so great, however this is my first go at it and I will be happy with gains of about 3kg or more.

I read in other threads guys speak about bridge period... ? Do I need a bridge period for such low dosage? I have clomid for db, I have read that you can take it whilst on db... This will help reduce water retention... Is it true? Or do only start Clomid for pct after my final pin?

Finally, I have clomid 50 and clomid 73.6mg... My guy can't get me Nolvadex, so do you think clomid would work fine... For how long and how many pills per day... Should you have any other suggestions, please feel free to share. As you can clearly see, I am not to clued up on this.

Hi Rayn,first what are your stats?

Second,why do you only want to gain 3kg if you can gain so much more? Have a look at the beginner bulking cycle in the sample cycle section.

Thirdly,read up on pct protocol and have a look how and why they are structured the way they are.

In the end what is your final goal?

Hey Jono, I was hoping you would message...

Stats:
182cm
81kg
Gym 4-5 times a week.

Firstly, I do have a bit of a temper and I read that rather start with a small dosage, see the effects and enjoy the journey. So my goal would be to end on 85 kg for now but through the course of the year to end on 87, maybe 90kg... My diet is pretty good, 1 whey shake in the morning, mass builder shake in the evening, I will soon add 125 ml egg white and I eat 6 times a day, sometimes up to 8... Please remember when I started gyming I was on 73/74kg,so in just under a year I have had good gains.

Jono,my concern is:
Stacking Dbol with sustaplex 325 - good fit?
Clomid only pct - will this suffice?
Do I require a bridge period before I start my pct?
Also, I'm not sure how much clomid to take, the one I have is clomid 50 and the other is 73,6mg?

I will have a read through the sample cycle, however, should you have the time to offer more guidance... It would be much appreciated.

OK, wait... I am reading through the sample cycle sections... I think for now ignore the previous msg... Thanks for the response Jono.

once you decide on your cycle rather ask your source to exchange the 73.6mg for another 50mg clomid.
also you mention eating 6 - 8 times per day. really doesn't help when you don't break down each meal. maybe have a read through the dieting section and you will probably reach your goal without using any PEDS. trust me it's possible from my personal experience since joining this forum.
can you perhaps also state your age? will help alot


@everyone else, does anyone know why HD labs have the clomid dosed at 73.6mg?
i find it to be quite a weird dose

Rayn once you've got the cycle you want to use then ask again, dbol and test is a good combo. you could add most of the weight you want with your cycle if you do it properly, diet is 70% of any kind of body changing programme.

PCT 1 in the article section will suffice for what you have in mind.

What's your bf%?

If you want good results from your first cycle here's how you could do it:

Week 1-10
Test at 450mg pw

Week 1-4
Dbol 40mg pd

Bridge with Tbol for 54 days after your last test shot.

Keep an AI on hand.

Before you decide to start juicing educate yourself completely. Roid rage is a bunch of bull,yes your temper can get worse and become a bit of an asshole but you can control it.

Let us know what you want to do and tell us about your diet.

Thanks Jono, Thank Hoosain

Jono, thanks for referring my to the article, I have clomid 50 and will use it for the 7 days twice daily and then the other one as per the article suggestion for 30days. Will go research the best options and change my clomid 73,6 for the appropriate one.

I am planning my first pin Sunday and first DB the Monday. My supplier told me to use db on work out days, I imagine this is also wrong?

@ Hoosain,
Age 32
6 foot
body fat - not sure
81kg

To be fair guys, obviously I have to do a lot of reading on diet as well, though I can say my daily diet consists of the following shortly:
Shake with 400 ml full cream milk (Nutritech Whey) with 4 egg white (125ml) (Starting next week Monday)
Oats
Chicken / or fish with brown rice or veggies x 2 (Morning and afternoon) (Veggies - sweet potato, beans, basically any good carbs as per my google search :lol: )
Lunch - Previous nights dinner (Read meat, rice, potatoes, veggies or pasta or chicken again)
After gym - Nutritech mass builder with 400ml full cream milk (thinking about adding another 125ml egg white)
Dinner - Wide variety, pretty much the same as mentioned in lunch
I drink roughly between 2l and 3l water a day and in between meals I eat peanuts, biltong etc.

Trying to cut sugar out my diet as well, not succeeding... so yeah, two weaknesses chocs and boobs... what can I say...

Jono thanks for the cycle plan,
Is it better to keep a constant or can I do the following:

DB
Week 1 - 2 - 20/30 mg
Week 3 - 4 - 30/40 mg

Test
Week 1 - 4 - 200mg
Week 4 - 8 - 300mg
week 8 - 12( or 10) - 400mg

The idea is to start at low dosages to see for acne and some other side effects. I hear you about the roid rage, though I am 32 so, screw it, I will handle it like my ex wife... hahahaha

I'm assuming you have the sust already?

if possible why not go for test cyp?
most will suggest pinning sust twice a week due to the short esters whereas test cyp can be pinned once a week.

have a look at the cycle in the link and try to do it exactly the way it is laid out in the link

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

One other thing. I personally think you should hold out on the cycle a bit longer. just maybe another week or 2 at least. read as much as possible on this forum so that you are clear about everything. it will only make things easier for you and you will better understand why guys give the advice they do.

Rayn wrote: Thanks Jono, Thank Hoosain

Jono, thanks for referring my to the article, I have clomid 50 and will use it for the 7 days twice daily and then the other one as per the article suggestion for 30days. Will go research the best options and change my clomid 73,6 for the appropriate one.

I am planning my first pin Sunday and first DB the Monday. My supplier told me to use db on work out days, I imagine this is also wrong?

@ Hoosain,
Age 32
6 foot
body fat - not sure
81kg

To be fair guys, obviously I have to do a lot of reading on diet as well, though I can say my daily diet consists of the following shortly:
Shake with 400 ml full cream milk (Nutritech Whey) with 4 egg white (125ml) (Starting next week Monday)
Oats
Chicken / or fish with brown rice or veggies x 2 (Morning and afternoon) (Veggies - sweet potato, beans, basically any good carbs as per my google search :lol: )
Lunch - Previous nights dinner (Read meat, rice, potatoes, veggies or pasta or chicken again)
After gym - Nutritech mass builder with 400ml full cream milk (thinking about adding another 125ml egg white)
Dinner - Wide variety, pretty much the same as mentioned in lunch
I drink roughly between 2l and 3l water a day and in between meals I eat peanuts, biltong etc.

Trying to cut sugar out my diet as well, not succeeding... so yeah, two weaknesses chocs and boobs... what can I say...

Jono thanks for the cycle plan,
Is it better to keep a constant or can I do the following:

DB
Week 1 - 2 - 20/30 mg
Week 3 - 4 - 30/40 mg

Test
Week 1 - 4 - 200mg
Week 4 - 8 - 300mg
week 8 - 12( or 10) - 400mg

The idea is to start at low dosages to see for acne and some other side effects. I hear you about the roid rage, though I am 32 so, screw it, I will handle it like my ex wife... hahahaha

Pct is on the right path now, get everything you need BEFORE you start your cycle. Here's a list of what you will need since you insist on cycling now.

•arimadex
•enough test and Dbol for your entire cycle
•nolvadex
•clomid
•essentials
•multivitamin
•turinabol for your bridge

Keep a steady dose right through,there are long and short esters so it's not so bad as you think. Use dbol everyday spread out every 6 hours.

Looks like you want to run 12 weeks,that's fine.

Week 1-12
Test 450mg pw

Week 1-4
Dbol 40mg pd

Day 10-54 after your last test shot
Tbol 40mg pd

Pct start on day 56 after your last pin.

Anything else?

Jono, you are the man... I imagine you say the same thing over and over to the same non researching idiots like me... So I would say I owe you a beer but yeah, we don't do alcohol... So how about 10 kg chicken? Hahahahahaha on a serious note, your awesome, thanks man, much appreciated!

Good advice Jono.

What anti estrogen meds for side effects will u be using?

Rayn wrote: Jono, you are the man... I imagine you say the same thing over and over to the same non researching idiots like me... So I would say I owe you a beer but yeah, we don't do alcohol... So how about 10 kg chicken? Hahahahahaha on a serious note, your awesome, thanks man, much appreciated!

Lol no problem bro, some aaah *cough*tren*cough* would be nice..lol just kidding

Keep us updated once you start and just wait another week or so until you have everything then begin.