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06 Mar 2017 12:02 #207917
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35 year old male. Been training for 5 years. Longest break I've taken in those 5 years was 2 months from December after my second kid was born. Except for that 2 month break, the longest breaks I've taken have been a week once or twice a year for holidays.
This last break has resulted in an extremely large drop in strength and I'm looking at a cycle to get quickly get back to where I was.
Pre break stats:
Deadlift: 5x5 @ 200kgs (hadn't tested 1RM in a long time)
Back Squat: 1RM @ 169kgs
Bench: 1RM @ 134kgs
Since my second kid was born, my lifts have dropped a lot. I've been training again since mid-january again and am struggling to come close to my previous numbers.
Current stats:
Deadlift: 1RM @ 185kg
Back Squat: 1RM @ 140kgs
Bench: 1RM @ 100kgs
These numbers are terrible. The changes to my routine from pre to current have been:
I suspect the biggest reasons for my current lack of strength are relating to 2, 3, and 5. My plan is to use a single cycle to accelerate the process to getting my strength gains back. This will be my first AAS cycle. I used clen + T3 many years back but that is hardly the same. I did have a negative reaction to the clen + T3; I broke out in an incredible rash all over my body.
I am already prone to baldness as well as very prone acne, so I want to start off slowly to see how I respond to the side effects. If they get too bad I may have to pull the plug early on.
I had a vasectomy recently so will only be able to start this cycle in June after the necessary sperm count tests have been completed.
The cycle I am planning is to follow the Anavar & Proviron (Beginner cutting and strength cycle - Oral Only) Sample Cycle but to introduce some test too. I chose that cycle as the descriptions of var + proviron seem to suggest that it is a cycle with a low risk of side-effects, but am including the test to up the potential strength gains.
Cycle:
Weeks 1 to 6 Anavar 80mg
Weeks 1 to 6 Proviron 60mg
Weeks 1 - 12 Test Cyp 500mg (ramping up the test from 200mg to 500mg to monitor side effects)
The var + pro is exactly as laid out in the sample cycle.
PCT:
Starting 36 days after last pin.
Clomid 2x50mg ED for a week
After the clomid only week:
HCG 500iu EOD for 26 days
Aromisin 20mg ED for 37 days
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 37 days
Milk thistle + creatine all the way through the cycle from start to a week after PCT.
Height: 188cm
Weight: 89kgs
BF: 15% (Am currently on a mild cut, so this will be dropping leading up to June for when I plan the cycle to start)
Traing 4 times a week. Training is split into a strength portion (a base compound + accessories), and a usually 20-30 minute HIIT-type session after. Mondays are squats + legs. Tuesdays Bench + chest. Wednesdays DL + back. Fridays OHP + shoulders.
Diet: Currently cutting on 2100 cals per day, roughly 40% protein, 35% carbs, 25% fat. Diet is pretty much the same every day. breakfast + lunch are always identical. Dinner varies a little. I will be bumping this to 3100 cals per day, probably similar macros. Very little alcohol consumption (maybe a few beers once every 2 weeks at social events).
I am in good health overall, never had high BP, low resting HR, etc.
Questions that I have:
This last break has resulted in an extremely large drop in strength and I'm looking at a cycle to get quickly get back to where I was.
Pre break stats:
Deadlift: 5x5 @ 200kgs (hadn't tested 1RM in a long time)
Back Squat: 1RM @ 169kgs
Bench: 1RM @ 134kgs
Since my second kid was born, my lifts have dropped a lot. I've been training again since mid-january again and am struggling to come close to my previous numbers.
Current stats:
Deadlift: 1RM @ 185kg
Back Squat: 1RM @ 140kgs
Bench: 1RM @ 100kgs
These numbers are terrible. The changes to my routine from pre to current have been:
- I took 2 months off to help my wife with the new kid
- I changed to training early mornings (5AM. I've never been strong in the mornings)
- I started a mild cut to lose some pregnancy weight (I was also eating for 2)
- I stopped taking creatine
- I get a lot less sleep now
I suspect the biggest reasons for my current lack of strength are relating to 2, 3, and 5. My plan is to use a single cycle to accelerate the process to getting my strength gains back. This will be my first AAS cycle. I used clen + T3 many years back but that is hardly the same. I did have a negative reaction to the clen + T3; I broke out in an incredible rash all over my body.
I am already prone to baldness as well as very prone acne, so I want to start off slowly to see how I respond to the side effects. If they get too bad I may have to pull the plug early on.
I had a vasectomy recently so will only be able to start this cycle in June after the necessary sperm count tests have been completed.
The cycle I am planning is to follow the Anavar & Proviron (Beginner cutting and strength cycle - Oral Only) Sample Cycle but to introduce some test too. I chose that cycle as the descriptions of var + proviron seem to suggest that it is a cycle with a low risk of side-effects, but am including the test to up the potential strength gains.
Cycle:
Weeks 1 to 6 Anavar 80mg
Weeks 1 to 6 Proviron 60mg
Weeks 1 - 12 Test Cyp 500mg (ramping up the test from 200mg to 500mg to monitor side effects)
The var + pro is exactly as laid out in the sample cycle.
PCT:
Starting 36 days after last pin.
Clomid 2x50mg ED for a week
After the clomid only week:
HCG 500iu EOD for 26 days
Aromisin 20mg ED for 37 days
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 37 days
Milk thistle + creatine all the way through the cycle from start to a week after PCT.
Height: 188cm
Weight: 89kgs
BF: 15% (Am currently on a mild cut, so this will be dropping leading up to June for when I plan the cycle to start)
Traing 4 times a week. Training is split into a strength portion (a base compound + accessories), and a usually 20-30 minute HIIT-type session after. Mondays are squats + legs. Tuesdays Bench + chest. Wednesdays DL + back. Fridays OHP + shoulders.
Diet: Currently cutting on 2100 cals per day, roughly 40% protein, 35% carbs, 25% fat. Diet is pretty much the same every day. breakfast + lunch are always identical. Dinner varies a little. I will be bumping this to 3100 cals per day, probably similar macros. Very little alcohol consumption (maybe a few beers once every 2 weeks at social events).
I am in good health overall, never had high BP, low resting HR, etc.
Questions that I have:
- How does the cycle look? Is adding test to the oral only cycle a good idea?
- Is ramping up the test cyp a feasible way of monitoring the side effects?
- How does the PCT look?
- Would I be better off leaving the test out and sticking with the var + proviron?
- If I have to pull the plug, do I kick off the planned PCT regardless of how far I've made it into the cycle? I.e. stop injecting and popping, wait 36 days and start PCT?
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06 Mar 2017 13:13 #207918
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Use your clomid for 14 days at 50mg daily
HCG 250iu x 2 per week during cycle from week three up to pct - its still suppressive
Aromasin is not really necessary
Nolva at 20mg daily for 30 days is perfect
1) Add test
2) Neither here nor there just don't take too long to bump it up, on 500 by at least 5th week
3) Already answered
4) Nope
5) Yes
Don't forget your anti E
What you going to use for those 36 days to pct? More var is fine as its sides are not hectic
HCG 250iu x 2 per week during cycle from week three up to pct - its still suppressive
Aromasin is not really necessary
Nolva at 20mg daily for 30 days is perfect
1) Add test
2) Neither here nor there just don't take too long to bump it up, on 500 by at least 5th week
3) Already answered
4) Nope
5) Yes
Don't forget your anti E
What you going to use for those 36 days to pct? More var is fine as its sides are not hectic
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06 Mar 2017 13:25 #207919
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Sore today, strong tomorrow!!!
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Great advice by Fillet!!
You can also use the Proviron right throughout the cycle, start at 20mg and work your way up to 60mg.
Add a bridge as Fillet mentioned. Bridge = time between cycle and pct.
You can also use the Proviron right throughout the cycle, start at 20mg and work your way up to 60mg.
Add a bridge as Fillet mentioned. Bridge = time between cycle and pct.
Sore today, strong tomorrow!!!
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06 Mar 2017 15:04 #207922
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+1 for that awesome advice fillet.
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07 Mar 2017 09:58 #207936
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Thanks for the advice Fillet
Taking your advice, the cycle changes to:
Cycle:
Weeks 1 - 6 Anavar 80mg
Weeks 1 - 12 Proviron 60mg (ramping up from 20mg)
Weeks 1 - 12 Test Cyp 500mg
Weeks 3 - 17 HCG 500mg (17 weeks is when PCT starts)
Weeks 13 - 17 Anavar 80mg
PCT cycle looks:
Clomid 2x50mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 37 days, starting 1 week after Clomid
Keeping Aromisin on hand throughout the cycle in case of side effects.
Taking your advice, the cycle changes to:
Cycle:
Weeks 1 - 6 Anavar 80mg
Weeks 1 - 12 Proviron 60mg (ramping up from 20mg)
Weeks 1 - 12 Test Cyp 500mg
Weeks 3 - 17 HCG 500mg (17 weeks is when PCT starts)
Weeks 13 - 17 Anavar 80mg
PCT cycle looks:
Clomid 2x50mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 37 days, starting 1 week after Clomid
Keeping Aromisin on hand throughout the cycle in case of side effects.
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07 Mar 2017 10:41 #207938
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that looks awesome.
i am going through my bridge (plus a crappy injury) of a similar cycle. only difference is that i didn't use proviron.
PS if you have enough proviron i'm pretty sure you can use it through your bridge along with the anavar.
i am going through my bridge (plus a crappy injury) of a similar cycle. only difference is that i didn't use proviron.
PS if you have enough proviron i'm pretty sure you can use it through your bridge along with the anavar.
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07 Mar 2017 11:10 #207940
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Clomid 2x50mg ED for 2 weeks
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Only 1 x50mg daily for 14 days bud
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Only 1 x50mg daily for 14 days bud
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07 Mar 2017 19:14 #207947
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Cool but I think aromasin is for E2.?
Might want some letro or adex on hand...
Might want some letro or adex on hand...
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