Second Cycle Log.

I originally wanted to play around with Deca or Tren, decided against it though. I'll save that for later in the future. I am however introducing a new compound this time around; Dianabol.

After reading through IK's Supertest thread, I decided I'll be using it as well.

Something like this;

Week 1 - 16*: PGW Supertest @ 0.8ml every monday and thursday.
Week 1 - 4: Blue Hearts Dianabol @ 30-40mg** split up doses.
Week 21 - 25*: PCT 1

* Not entirely sure of the duration yet, I'll have to decide, if I run it shorter, obviously PCT starts sooner. I might run for 12 weeks or until the vial is finished.
** Blue Hearts = March Pharmaceuticals. For the first 3 days I'll run it at 20mg, I like to start off small just in the unlikely event that I have a bad reaction to a substance.

So why only 0.8ml? Well my thought process behind it, is that my last cycle I ran 500mg Cyp per week. 0.8ml of supertest is slightly more than that (512), I feel like 640 is overkill for my size.

Why supertest?

It took me quite a while for the Cyp to kick in, at around 6 weeks I started getting really strong really fast, but 6 weeks is quite long to wait, so I opted for a blend.

This will also be my first time using insulin syringes, I had a hard time getting track of them and see everyone on YouTube using them, for less scar tissue/smaller needle etc. and really wanted to, eventually got my hands on a big bag of em. I'll be backloading them as well, so the needle won't be used to draw. My only concern is the thickness of the carrier oil, if it's thick, pinning with such a small needle could be tricky, but we will see.

You'll notice two omissions here; HCG and Bridge. These are omitted, because I didn't use them last time, but I'm not against using them this time around. I might throw in some MK677 again, like last time.

I have no set date for this cycle to begin, but I already have everything, so it will be soon.

Current Stats;

169 cm
80 kg's
13% bf
Age: 25

Thoughts on last cycle: I believe I recovered really well. My sex drive never went down, not even during PCT. I was mentally prepared for it to decrease, but there wasn't even a placebo effect. Though recently it has increased a lot, so perhaps there was a decrease, I just didn't notice it, but there was never any concern about sexual performance or libido at all. Any increase in sex drive right now I can only attribute to normalizing of hormone levels, because I'm honestly not even taking anything, not even creatine or whey protein atm. I'm 100% natural, so I really can't say, the body is an interesting thing.

Current Strength Levels are about 90% of what they were on heavy compounds during my last cycle, small accessory movements I'm basically the same strength. There was a short period of time where my bench went from 115 - 100 and it was demotivating as hell, but I've managed to up it to 105 and can push for 110 if I really put everything into it/disregard other training.

Honestly, I'm hoping to get to about 90 kg's in the next 3-4 months, I know that's high, but if I hit 86~ I'll still be happy.

Will be following as we are the same height well you have 1cm on me. But I am 105kg @ 21% Body Fat at the moment

Just did my first pin with an insulin syringe. Oil thickness wasn't a problem, the pin just takes a bit longer, because there's not much leverage on the plunger.

Wanted to pin quads, but it seems I still have scar tissue there, so I'll leave it alone for now. Did right glute.

You can even do delts

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: You can even do delts

I'll have to at some point, delts, biceps and lats are one spot I haven't pinned before, but really wanna try it.

I wouldn't pin lats or biceps or advise it

640 will do you not much different from 500,wtf you using Slin pins you not going deep enough.
Use a 22g and use a bridge to stay anabolic.. Make the most from a cycle or don't cycle at all.

FIllet wrote: Slin pins you not going deep enough.
Use a 22g

Tony Huge from enhanced athlete and his crew are huge advocates of slin pins, in fact, he exclusively pins with insulin needles. They use them on all the regular pin sites.



If they can look like that, it's obviously going deep enough.



You think that's not entering the muscle? You'd have to have a hella layer of fat to not reach the muscle, even with a slin pin. Don't need a 22g either, my last cycle worked just fine and I was pinning with 26-27g needles, although I did try 23g needles from time to time to test.

Sorry mate, but I disagree.

Well, can't argue that mate
Must take a long time to get it in and a lot of needles if you pushing 3- 4mls a shot

FIllet wrote: Well, can't argue that mate
Must take a long time to get it in and a lot of needles if you pushing 3- 4mls a shot

Cant imagine that... Rather take it in the glute and get it over with, easiest!!

Slin pins only come in 1 size right? And the gauge is friggen tiny! Agree with Fillet, save time, do the full measure of gear one shot. Even as a TRT patient I've never considered going for slin pins.

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Furk wrote: Slin pins only come in 1 size right? And the gauge is friggen tiny! Agree with Fillet, save time, do the full measure of gear one shot. Even as a TRT patient I've never considered going for slin pins.

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You cannot use 5/16th slin pins, only 1/2 inch and you have to have low enough body fat.. If you have high bodyfat then the needle is not long enough. You also risk lumps and leakage when using a slin pins, you can also only do 1ml at a time so someone who is afraid of needles is going to have to 'prick' himself more times to administer what would otherwise be a single prick when using a 25g or larger needle.

FIllet wrote: Well, can't argue that mate
Must take a long time to get it in and a lot of needles if you pushing 3- 4mls a shot

True dat, if you're pinning a lot of ml's then it's def better to use a bigger syringe.

Pin with slin pins bro. Many people use them. As with many things in life, it's your choice. If you've watched the enhanced athlete videos and read some posts you know that there are some prerequisites like a low % bodyfat, etc. Yes, there is a possibility of lumps or not going deep enough etc. etc. etc. We can argue semantics all day. Point is, if you've done your research (which I'm sure you have) you'll be fine. I'm also considering slin pins for my next cycle.

fuck, cant imagine pushing sust thru a slin pin :blink:

6 days in so far, up about 1.5 kg's, which must be water retention from the dbol. No strength gains so far, but no expecting any until about 2-4 weeks in.

pinning has been fine, PIP is on par with Testocyp.

Did my first delt pin, it was extremely easy and fast too, might be harder on the other side without my dominant hand. Would recommend delt slin injections to anyone pinning 1ml or less.

Current weight is 80.60

Well damn.

Current weight: 81.45 (up 1.1 kg) water weight and all that good stuff.
Something hit me and it hit me hard af between the blue hearts and the supertest (possibly both)


Pumps in my traps during bench press. Hit 115x3 when at the peak of last time I was on 115x5 so this is really good.

Very happy and feeling good

Fat fingered my phone, meant up 1.1 in total

DruOmedra wrote:
Week 1 - 16*: PGW Supertest @ 0.8ml every monday and thursday.
Week 1 - 4: Blue Hearts Dianabol @ 30-40mg** split up doses.
Week 21 - 25*: PCT 1

You'll notice two omissions here; HCG and Bridge. These are omitted, because I didn't use them last time, but I'm not against using them this time around. I might throw in some MK677 again, like last time.

Current Stats;

169 cm
80 kg's
13% bf
Age: 25

Thoughts on last cycle: I believe I recovered really well. My sex drive never went down, not even during PCT. I was mentally prepared for it to decrease, but there wasn't even a placebo effect. Though recently it has increased a lot, so perhaps there was a decrease, I just didn't notice it, but there was never any concern about sexual performance or libido at all. Any increase in sex drive right now I can only attribute to normalizing of hormone levels, because I'm honestly not even taking anything, not even creatine or whey protein atm. I'm 100% natural, so I really can't say, the body is an interesting thing.

Honestly, I'm hoping to get to about 90 kg's in the next 3-4 months, I know that's high, but if I hit 86~ I'll still be happy.

Also seems like a nice simple cycle!... Will be good to follow your progress.

"... the body is an interesting thing." Damn right man - I can relate!

Must say also considering trying out slin pins in future - also haven't used them myself.

Good luck with your cycle bro!

Thanks for the response mate, yeah I try to keep it as simple as possible for now. I'm still learning a lot of stuff as time goes by.

I weighed in at 83 today, albeit it was with shoes on so I'm probably a bit under that.
Strength is still going up, I'm already stronger than I was 3 days ago.

Pinned biceps for the first time, was nervous, I'm very vascular so didn't want to hit a blood vessel/vein. Ended up using 4 alcohol swabs as I cleaned my skin just meditating on if I wanna pin biceps or not. I pinned the inner head, only injected 0.4 ml's there and I injected 0.4 ml's in my quad. It was very easy, but if I were injecting a large amount of gear I wouldn't even bother. I've read that it's better to use large muscles for larger amounts of gear and smaller muscles are better for small cc's.

Either way it was a success, I'm still on the fence about localized growth, I personally don't believe it really works, yet I've heard many a heavy experienced gear user say it does. And my left bicep is smaller than my right so might as well give it a shot.

FFF has yohimbine in right?

I wouldn't mind doing a yohimbine + clen + low dose test cut in the future.

Any thoughts on that? Obviously I'm thinking way into the future now. I'd heard pinning on clen is very hard aka 'the needle bender'

DruOmedra wrote: Thanks for the response mate, yeah I try to keep it as simple as possible for now. I'm still learning a lot of stuff as time goes by.

I weighed in at 83 today, albeit it was with shoes on so I'm probably a bit under that.
Strength is still going up, I'm already stronger than I was 3 days ago.

Pinned biceps for the first time, was nervous, I'm very vascular so didn't want to hit a blood vessel/vein. Ended up using 4 alcohol swabs as I cleaned my skin just meditating on if I wanna pin biceps or not. I pinned the inner head, only injected 0.4 ml's there and I injected 0.4 ml's in my quad. It was very easy, but if I were injecting a large amount of gear I wouldn't even bother. I've read that it's better to use large muscles for larger amounts of gear and smaller muscles are better for small cc's.

Either way it was a success, I'm still on the fence about localized growth, I personally don't believe it really works, yet I've heard many a heavy experienced gear user say it does. And my left bicep is smaller than my right so might as well give it a shot.

Have no doubt that you will keep seeing improvements with regards to strength and weight gains, even if they not dramatic ones.

4 alcohol swabs later you did it... Well... hey at least you did it and it was a success - well done! I'll try it out some day... but in no rush! I'd say it makes sense to use large muscles for larger amounts of gear.

Must say - also haven't been convinced about localised growth.. Would say you would probably have more success changing your training regiment re biceps and focus on left - several years back i had a similar issue - after a shoulder injury - for a long time my left bicep was smaller.

DruOmedra wrote: FFF has yohimbine in right?

I wouldn't mind doing a yohimbine + clen + low dose test cut in the future.

Any thoughts on that? Obviously I'm thinking way into the future now. I'd heard pinning on clen is very hard aka 'the needle bender'

Never tried yohimbine - did do some research years back during my soccer days, when it was available to me - and well there were no statistically significant changes in body mass and muscle mass within or between trials, and there were no changes in exercise performance indicators (bench and leg press, vertical jump, dribble and power test results, shuttle run) within or between. trials.

As for clen - enjoy using the stuff every now and again - and once you used to pinning it - it's really not difficult.

Hope you all having a great weekend!

First vial of supertest done.
Switching over to test e now, because the pct wait duration is too long on supertest.

So far my strength has shot up,but my weight has been fluctuating. Still, strength is good and I'm getting close to that 140 bench ohhh boy

Sorry for not really updating this here guys, this cycle wasn't as ideal as I would have liked, it's essentially almost over, I've decided to end it slightly early due to me starting a new job with longer hours and moving to a new house I've had not enough time to eat the way I wanted to.

That being said, I trained hard af where I could and I did hit a 140kg bp which I'm really happy and surprised with.

I wanted to bulk to 90, hovered around 84-85 which sucks but seeing as I got stronger I'm not super dissatisfied.

The real challenge begins during and after pct.