Deca Npp + Mastron Prop + Test Prop

Hi Peeps,
Looking to stack Deca Npp, Mast Prop and Test Prop for a 4 week cycle then drop Mast Prop and add D-Bol and Anapolin for another 4 week cycle. The aim is growth. I'll add Proviron to counter Esters.

Cycle will be every other day. Starting with low dosage of 50mg each and raising it to 100mg.

Any recommendations? Has anyone used this stack before? Results?
Lift strong!
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Hey there,
Run your cycle for atlest 8weeks with (npp/masteron nd test prop at 1ml eod)
Dbol nd anapolan mid cycle is a bad idea (rather use dianabol instead @30mg ed) (week1-4)
Proviron you can run it through out @40-60mg for 8weeks. Others guys can give they input
Followed by pct 2

Cycle needs a bit of refinement.

As Sam said a minimum of 8 weeks would be better.

Your dosage is quite vague. Test prop and Masteron will harden and dry you up whilst Deca adds a bit of a rounded,full effect.

Anapolon or dianabol can be added in the beginning to kickstart everything although your compounds are pretty fast acting. I like throwing an oral in mid cycle to give you an even larger push(personal preference) Proviron can be run throughout the cycle but don't rely on it to fight estrogen. Get an AI.
PCT 3 is a very safe bet especially when dealing with nandrolones

Educate yourself a bit on bridging periods,dosage and PCT protocols all available in the article section.

Take your test two weeks past your npp. Run your caber past your npp as with your test. So test 2 week 10, npp 2 week 8, caber 2 week 12. You want to make good use of that anti-prolactin although you didn't mention it. Dbol or anaps mid cycle, hmmmm, I use them if I get very strong, i don't see an issue pushing water in when needed. You won't need proviron with masteron. Masteron is king and have the same effects. Use your pct3 as the good man said, you playing with 19 nors and e2 will elevate. Cycle will give you some good abs pending diet and some tight muscles. Nice.

And let me know if you want me to break that into an actual cycle, I wrote it fillet style so you may not fully understand. My bad.

I have only started planning this cycle and have not looked at dosage yet, hece e seeking advice and guidance. Thank you very much for info will surely read some more

Yes please if you don't mind. I like ro understand before I start using.

Stats?

How many cycles have you done before?

Hoosain wrote: Stats?

How many cycles have you done before?

Hoosain is asking the right questions as you don't seem to know a lot about the compounds mentioned. First let us see the reply for Hoosain and take it from there.

I have been on the following cycles from February:

Anavar 60mg+ Proviron 30mg + Clen (2day on 3 days off) + ECA (every day)

May I've added:

Mast Prop + Test Prop + Tren Ace 100mg every other day

Then for my competition prep of 6 weeks I have been on

Anavar 60mg + Proviron 60mg + Winstrol 75mg + Arimax 30mg + 2xClen daily + ECA (all orals)
Mast Prop + Test Prop + Tren Ace 100mg every other day

Last 2 weeks
Mast Prop + Tren Ace 100mg every day till one day before competition.

This coming Monday starting PCT Clomid 50mg (7days), Nolvadex 20 (30 days), HCG 5000IU (10 days at 500IU/day), Pro sups Halotropin.

The aim there after is to run a bulking phase with much less gear.

@Jono77,

Reading through the material available on this site it would be safe to say that the following cycle can be used:

Deca NPP: 150mg/day used every other day
Test Prop: 100mg/day used every other day
Masteron Prop: 150mg/day used every other day.

Seeing that Provision and Mast Prop have the same anti-estrogen qualities it would actually be a duplication and Mast Prop would be enough to counter estrogen.

This cycle is an 12 week cycle with Deca NPP discontinued at week 10 and Test Prop and Mast Prop used for the next 2 weeks alone.

I think for now it would be best not to add D-Bol or Anapolin and only run this stack. I can always re-assess after this cycle if desired results have been achieved. If D-Bol is to be added at a midway (week 6-12) then dosage of not more that 50mg per day.

Anapolin is still concern for me with the possibility of the effect that it could have on the liver.

PCT3 would be then the the closing cycle.

great stuff buddy. Seems as if you have some experience.

then you did something awesome and read the site which answered all your questions... something I always advise newcomers to do since almost everything has been covered on this site.

Now that we know a bit more maybe one of the more experienced guys can give some more input regarding the addition of an oral with the short esters.

pierre42 wrote: @Jono77,

Reading through the material available on this site it would be safe to say that the following cycle can be used:

Deca NPP: 150mg/day used every other day
Test Prop: 100mg/day used every other day
Masteron Prop: 150mg/day used every other day.

Seeing that Provision and Mast Prop have the same anti-estrogen qualities it would actually be a duplication and Mast Prop would be enough to counter estrogen.

This cycle is an 12 week cycle with Deca NPP discontinued at week 10 and Test Prop and Mast Prop used for the next 2 weeks alone.

I think for now it would be best not to add D-Bol or Anapolin and only run this stack. I can always re-assess after this cycle if desired results have been achieved. If D-Bol is to be added at a midway (week 6-12) then dosage of not more that 50mg per day.

Anapolin is still concern for me with the possibility of the effect that it could have on the liver.

PCT3 would be then the the closing cycle.

Bro you've been on cycle for poen long,have you given yourself time to recover? How are your bloods?

You could definitely use those oils you mentioned, I would up the test to 600mg per week since you'll be running 600mg of Deca and 600mg of Masteron per week just to add some kind of balance.

You can use Masteron and proviron to combat estrogen but I would definitely recommend you get an AI as well as Caber or dostinex in case of sides.

If you're worried about your liver then don't strain it with dbol or Anaplolon. It shouldn't be necessary with the fast acting esters.

Will you be bridging with anavara or something along those lines? Or are you saving your liver?

Last year I did a test and NPP cycle and had great gains in size and strength,also Cycled for 12 weeks in total.

@fillet ,brother what do you think?

@Jono77,

Thanks I'll look into the product you mentioned.

Yes, as stated I'm starting PCT on Monday for next 4 week cycle. There after I'll probably take another 2 weeks off with no gear at all only supplements.

I want to finish my PCT cycle before I do blood work, or would it be better to do it now? What do you recommend I test for? Liver function, kidneys, Free Test, Iron? Anything else?

Blood work mid competition prep showed liver and kidney straining, cholesterol under control, BP under control. Very high Test score.

I really want to try and get away with less gear but rather eat bigger and support with good supplementation. That's why I would access the growth at week 6-8. If I feel that cycle is working for me then I'll stick with it right through.

My competition weight were 80,6kg for H&H and I'm aiming for at least 90kg or just below with 4-6% BF for next year competitions.

I don't like what I'm reading to be honest, abuse of orals. No understanding of how to run clen. Anavar run with winstrol, injuries waiting to happen.

Don't want to comment much as I am a walking muscle, recreational, was going to compete until wife and I were in a nasty accident and I rolled my car. We both alive and well but other things took priority.

An AI is far superior to proviron for combatting estrogen, more especially aromasin which will control e1 and e2.

Your cycles are all over the place, I have buds that compete, huge guys, refer to my last cycle post and you can see my trainer and partner... Huge. Have you really done this before? No offense. Where are your diuretics? Where is your caber? Hcg in pct? NO.

Plus karma Jono

@Fillet,
No you are not offending me.
Duirectics were Aldactone 25mg I used 50mg for the last 10 days prior to competition.

Dude I started as a newbie and I still am. I'm here to learn and HCG is recommended pct cycle from this site.

I could send you photos of all the gear. But hey I was an idiot being exploited by a established coach who should have known better. That's why I left his team and I'm seeking advice from experienced and knowledgeable people.

Sorry that you feel that I'm lying. But you are welcome to check IFBB results for Her&H Classics held on the 5th. You will find my name and placing as 8th in the masters bodybuilding division.

Didn't say you lying bro.
Well done.

Pierre42, one can clearly see that you do have some experience and well done on that placing, lot of hard work going into that, regardless of the gear used. I do have to support @Fillet in the sense that you do seem to be a bit all-over with your gear. You are however at the right place to fix it and climb another place or three on those rankings.

I am sure with a base plan, maybe based on one of the Sample Cycles, well laidout goals, some of the seniors here can help you reach your full potential...

Remember that anonymity is key for this site, so referring to your placing at a certain event will definitely breach that point. Anonymity is for everyone's safety, yours, the site, the sport and the gear.

I have no doubt that you came to the right place for advise.

@OPTRON

My apologies for contravening the anonymity of the site.

I respect the views of yourself, Fillet, Jono77 and Hoosian. The past how ever is the past.

I were and I still am just looking to build a good stack for bulking. Following sample stacks might the way to go, but that exactly why I left my coach. All your comments on the vastness of gear used are just evident that I need to plan better and be more in control of what I take in.

Good clean bulking followed by a solid PCT after and leaning for competitions next year is my goal. I don't ever again want to be on a stage where I'm 10+kg's lighter that the guy next to me. Nor do I want to end up again with a crap load of orals and non-complimenting gear.

Peace brothers. May you all receive great and pleasant gains!

@Fillet,

Can you please explain what Al is and Aromasin. Also the term caber? Sorry I'm lost with this one.

Further I was on T3 for the 6 weeks prior to the competition. I'm currently slowly going off it and I'm basically on on tablet every other day, next week aiming for only 3 times per week and so on. Is this the right way of stopping?

Anyone else also welcome to comment.

Aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor (AI) which in most opinions is superior to Letro and Adex - yes Letro and Adex have their place and this cannot be taken from these drugs. You don't really have an estrogen rebound from Aromasin making it superior - that is all that was meant. Essential in your pct when running 19 nors. Also can be used throughout cycle.

Cabergoline (Dostinex), inhibits prolactin - prolactin is an ugly mother fucker that can show its ugly little face some time after a cycle. You don't want that. Deca/Tren dick etc. Caber will keep this under control. I will not personally run a 19 without caber.

IMO, I remain adamant with not running var and winnies together. I stick with my theory that your clen was run old school. Pyroclasm has a great article on this site on how to use it properly.

I will never change my mind that HCG is best used in cycle opposed to PCT. HCG is suppressive to natural testosterone so it makes no sense suppressing whilst trying to build up. You will recover better if used in cycle plus you won't have tiny balls.

I am no professional bodybuilder but I do understand my drugs fairly well. I prefer the Rock kind of physique personally, I was going to compete only once to give it a shot but something happened as I was preparing. Now I have lost interest but will never lose interest in the recreational side. Lift until the day I can no longer lift.

@Fillet,
Thank you this makes a lot more sense.

I do respect your opinion.

Thanks

Just like I said, the experienced guys will come around.

Good to see you taking in the advice. My advice again, read, read and read this forum. When you think you know it all just read one more time for peace of mind. Trust me you will then be able to plan your own cycle and ask relevant questions to personalise it.

With that said... 2 weeks after PCT and you want to hit another cycle? In my opinion that is asking for trouble.

Also before going further how about giving height, age, BF%, training program and diet? Maybe there is plenty of results to be seen without the addition of unnecessary drugs. Remember that sometimes less is more.

Last thing, I see you mentioned being 10kg less than everyone on stage. Just yesterday I read that size and weight matters, but even more so proportion. Remember nobody's body is in perfect proportion and symmetry. How close you can get to perfect proportion and symmetry coupled with decent size is what will get you where you need to be. Maybe that is something to keep in mind when setting goals?
I also remember reading an interview with Michael Adonis where he mentioned his main focus was always size. He later learnt that size alone is not going to win competitions. That's when he realised he needed to watch what he eats and focus more on proportion and symmetry. Once again emphasizing that size is not the main thing in bodybuilding.

Anyway, good luck buddy. I can assure you this is the right place to ask for advice and you will only progress from here onwards.

@Hoosian,

Thanks yip I have a decent eating plan and it does take into account my age, Height and BF%. Current bulking diet is around 3600Cal per day. (BMR) That is just 400Cal per more than what I require for maintaining.

Yes gear might have to stay longer on the back burner after PCT. I'll gage that as soon as I start planning which competitions I'll do next year.

I hear what you say about composition and symmetry and I fully agree that these are the back bone measures of bodybuilding. Yet it's also true that the shredded Elephant is more visible than the shredded mouse. But yes what lies ahead for me eating big to get big and balancing my body and developing all aspects of my upper and lower body.

Time will lead me and knowledge will guide me.

Thank you all for your input. Match appreciated.
Lift strong!