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i don't actually want to give letro advice as i'm an aromasin guy. Maybe the guys with more experience can shed some light as to when they choose to taper off.

esgaroth wrote: Thanks bro.

I will continue with letro until pct? Or start tappering off after last pin?

I will follow pct 3 exactly to the T. I will start stocking up for everything I need for that.

Thanks again

It's very bad to stop letro right before PCT. Estrogen becomes more of a problem then and you will be more prone to estrogen related side effects. Especially if using HCG. Even tapering off letro is very tricky. Letro causes estrogen rebound, always. Tapering just minimizes it.

You want your E2 low during PCT, because it's negative feedback on your hypothalamus will mess with the recovery of optimal LH and FSH. Rather continue the letro at a low dose and taper slowly off at the end of PCT. Low dose letro will also boost your testosterone levels somewhat during PCT.

Aromasin is by far superior if you have some cash to spare.

Thanks MA,

I do have the cash to spare.

I understand it can be tricky, but how would I go about it? Take half a tab or one tab every second day etc?

Should I run letro and aromasin during pct or only aromasin and when and how should I swop the one for the other if need be?

If you get aromasin then you can simply switch over from the letro when you start PCT and do a PCT #3 as per the article.

Perfect, thank you.

Hi Guys,

A few quick things.

I tested my E2 on Saturday. Since it is at Ampath they refuse to give the results to you and only sent them to my DOC. My DOCs pa gave me a call and said E2 is in normal ranges. That doesnt really tell me anything I can give you guys. I am continuing letro tabs and nipps dont feel that sensitive anymore. Just a bit puffy but I am sure Nolva will sort that out in pct.

On the diet. I adjusted my diet to be 30% fat 30% carbs and 40% protein at 3200cals which is in a deficit. I want to focus the next 6 weeks of my cycle on droping BF%. Will give Hoosains suggestion for more fats a chance. I added avo, some more almonds and double cream yogurt to the mix. Dropped my Oats in the AM from 100g to 80g and added 1tbsp peanut butter. Will check how that goes for the next 2 weeks and drop calories again.

Also adding in a 2nd chest day as my chest is lacking behind. 1 day for lower part of chest and 2nd day for upper chest.

Cardio at 10mins ed for now and will up in a week or 2.

Also dropped the test cream. It has only been a few days but weirdly feel a bit better. Not sure if it is the cream that made me feel shitty. But worth mentioning.

Hi Guys,

SO I am approaching the end of my cycle. Last injection is tomorrow. A sad day indeed.

My nipps have been flaring up the past 2 weeks and got more letro tabs and continuing with that. I noticed over the weekend that I am bloated AF and gained 1kg in what can only be fat. Must be estrogen related.

As discussed previously I am going to use anavar @40mg for the next 2 weeks starting from wednesday. Can I add in some FoF for 2 weeks @ 1tab per day?

My thinking is that no matter what I try unless I get my estrogen way down during PCT the fat around my belly will remain.

Hi Bud.

Why Anavar for only 2 weeks if your bridge is 4 weeks on any Enanthate? So run Anavar 4 weeks after last injection and add Beesting 2 caps a day 1 cap am as you wake up and one cap no later than 16:00pm do cardio after each weight workout and if you can ad fasted state am cardio. Drop your carbs to only carbs in your pre Workout meal and post workout meal. That should help you take care of belly fat. Diet on point for long enough and with cardio and Yohimbine is all that is going to help you bud but remember anything you want to achieve 80% is diet....

Thanks RB,

Ill run anavar for 4 weeks then and adjust my carbs to pre and post workout (I have been doing so for some time now). Ill up my cardio from 10mins to 20mins.

Just need to push this last bit more and more.

hey man, what are you doing for cardio?

Personally i come from a strong running background which alot of people believe to be good for fat loss. However HIIT is the way to go for me. 20 mins a day or even every 2nd day should be good for shedding unwanted fat. That coupled with anavar is a sure winner. 40mg is good for me and the pumps are not too bad when doing cardio.

Thanks man,

I mostly cycle for cardio with HIIT one day and normal cardio the other. I will do more HIIT for now with anavar and see where that takes me. Feeling hopefull. Thanks guys.

I do Hiit as musch as I can and the results are worth it I just can not do it on leg days. On Leg days I walk on an Incline for 30 minutes

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: I do Hiit as musch as I can and the results are worth it I just can not do it on leg days. On Leg days I walk on an Incline for 30 minutes

haha yes HIIT is a killer!! But well worth it for results as you mention

@esgaroth, anavar is just amazing to me. I love the stuff and if i could, i would love to take it like a multivitamin daily LOL.
Just keep training hard and eating clean and trust me you will get where you want to be.
Keep in mind this part of your cycle is very important. Once you hit PCT don't just treat it like the end and train less or let go with your eating, in my opinion this part matters the most and you need to stay focused as now there is no PED's making training easier and alot more fun.

Looking forward to hearing your results

My 1c. I have tried all sorts of cardiovascular. The best and quickest I find is hitting the bags. I was a boxer previously... Just worth a try. I got a bag at home and beat it when it's cardiovascular time or if I'm pissed. Really kills me quick and keeps the fat off

Thanks Hoosain,

Appreciate the motivation. I am looking forward to just feeling myself again after pct (hopefully). Training on masteron is not my favorite mostly because the muscle pumps. I started Anavar today and did a HIIT cycle session yesterday. Could only last 12mins haha. But I am more focused so I am pushing it.

Did a quick back session yesterday with HIIT.

Legs and HIIT don't go together for me either. I can barely walk out the gym after legs let alone doing cardio or HIIT afterwards.

FIllet wrote: My 1c. I have tried all sorts of cardiovascular. The best and quickest I find is hitting the bags. I was a boxer previously... Just worth a try. I got a bag at home and beat it when it's cardiovascular time or if I'm pissed. Really kills me quick and keeps the fat off

True, hitting the bag does shed a ton. The only issue is that we're not like you... we can't all afford to lose 20kg of pure muscle and still be bigger than everyone else in the gym

On a serious note esgaroth. Fillet is right, can't believe i forgot to mention this.

esgaroth wrote: Thanks Hoosain,

Appreciate the motivation. I am looking forward to just feeling myself again after pct (hopefully). Training on masteron is not my favorite mostly because the muscle pumps. I started Anavar today and did a HIIT cycle session yesterday. Could only last 12mins haha. But I am more focused so I am pushing it.

Did a quick back session yesterday with HIIT.

Legs and HIIT don't go together for me either. I can barely walk out the gym after legs let alone doing cardio or HIIT afterwards.

for sure it's tough buddy, but keep at it and soon 20 mins will be a breeze... except after leg day lol

FIllet wrote: My 1c. I have tried all sorts of cardiovascular.

Change your woman bro

fcuking LOL Oupa

Oupa wrote:

FIllet wrote: My 1c. I have tried all sorts of cardiovascular.

Change your woman bro

I did say all sorts of Cardio Oups. My wife, the neighbours wife etc.
My wife gets the most cardio, you see a women is like a tin roof, if you don't nail it hard enough it ends up at the neighbours. :ohmy:
^ a little joke ladies

Wife cardio is best cardio...

Hi Guys,

I just need some advice.

So I should be starting PCT in 2 weeks from now but... The "shops" in my area are closed until next year so I won't be able to get anything I need for PCT until early Jan (2nd week in Jan latest).

Do I wait until I can get stock or do I extend somehow until I can start PCT.

My thoughts are to maybe use something until 2 weeks before PCT or just before PCT to keep me going until then.

What are your thoughts?

I have in my stash the following:

Test E
Test Cyp
Test Prop
Masteron E
Tren A
Proviron Tabs (a bag full).

Since I won't be able to find anything else in the meantime this is all I have.

Any advice?

I should have gotten PCT stuff in advance but I will also not be able to run bloods until early Jan as Docs office is closed.

Get your stuff from someone in another city.
Thats all im saying. Best option

I am on the lookout.

Can I use the provirons during bridge? Ran out of anavar. Stuff is good.

Will the proviron assist with estrogen?

esgaroth wrote: I am on the lookout.

Can I use the provirons during bridge? Ran out of anavar. Stuff is good.

Will the proviron assist with estrogen?

on the proviron yes 20-40mg ed on Bridge

Proviron is NOT a ANTI-estrogen med, proviron is mildly anabolic so, that should answer your question.
Many guys i know run they pct like (clomid and proviron) try correcting these kind of guys, you need a 5lb hammer